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How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?
National Post ^ | Richard Warnica

Posted on 03/19/2018 1:02:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 03/19/2018 1:02:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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$11,126?? That may be what PAYING Americans pay, but Isn’t it about half that don’t pay anything for their healthcare?


2 posted on 03/19/2018 1:08:40 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The things always missing from these arguments is the non quantifiable issues like “quality of care”.

It easy to get by paying half the US costs when you rely on the US to be the engine of health care innovation and development.

It also easy to produce cut rate medial costs if you willing to accept less then stellar medical care.

there is a reason the wealthy from around the world come to the USA for care rather then go to their local Government manged health care system.


3 posted on 03/19/2018 1:08:43 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The political class is a bureaucracy designed to perpetuate itself" Rush Limbaugh)
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To: SeekAndFind

A couple of years ago I looked into relocating from NYC to Vancouver, BC. Needless to say, even with the high combined state/local income tax rates we endure in NYC, total income taxes were much higher in BC than in NYC.

Then I added in the cost of my private health insurance and guess what - the total income tax cost PLUS health insurance cost is about the same in BC as it is in NYC.


4 posted on 03/19/2018 1:09:42 PM PDT by AC86UT89
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To: MNJohnnie

American’s subsidize big pharma - the rest of the world tells them to halve the price otherwise they’ll allow generic copies.


5 posted on 03/19/2018 1:14:29 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: SeekAndFind

The article raises the right point — what is an “average” Canadian and talks about how hard it is to determine that. Median is a good way to determine “average” rather than mean. But that can be distorted too. A large number of people don’t work and pay nothing. So should the measure be what does the average tax-paying Canadian pay? That seems more realistic. The remainder is how much does the average Canadian pay for other peoples’ healthcare.


6 posted on 03/19/2018 1:17:20 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: SeekAndFind

And if you can get it. They come down to the US for CAT/MRI scans because you can get them scheduled in a week or so but up in Canada it’s up to three months or so.


7 posted on 03/19/2018 1:17:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: originalbuckeye
the United States ($11,126).

Per capita this is doubtful. A family of 4 isn't paying $45,000 for healthcare coverage.

8 posted on 03/19/2018 1:18:04 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: SeekAndFind
How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

They still have to wait months & months for an appointment.

9 posted on 03/19/2018 1:18:14 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember that woman who was so excited when Obama won because she thought she wasn’t going to have to pay her mortgage anymore?


10 posted on 03/19/2018 1:24:17 PM PDT by LydiaLong
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To: SeekAndFind

Canadians are willing to tolerate a tax burden few Americans would accept.

The country’s founding values are different and equality not freedom is how Canadians see the health care debate.

That’s why single payer has a time gaining attraction in the US while on the other hand, Canadians live with the trade-offs that come with it.

What works for Canada doesn’t necessarily work for the US.

You just can’t transplant a country’s experience and expect people in another country to adapt to it.


11 posted on 03/19/2018 1:27:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: originalbuckeye

That is per capita. Sum up all health care expenditures, divide by population. $11,126 per person/year for the year surveyed.

All trans-national comparisons are subject to a lot of a caveats, and in some dimensions there is no possible meaningful comparison (rates of urban gun violence US vs. Japan or Switzerland, for example.) In the US, think of the cost of ballistic wound and injury care in Chicago, for example. There is no hyper violent minority population shooting each other in Canada. Or Switzerland, or Japan. The emergency care costs that are the result of urban gunfire are not trivial, but there is no comparable component to Canadian health care expenditures. So, by the time you get done footnoting these transnational comparisons, they are basically worthless.


12 posted on 03/19/2018 1:29:03 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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The real question is “What are malpractice rules in Canada?” Is it the cash cow that it is in the US? How much do Canadian doctors pay for Malpractice insurance?


13 posted on 03/19/2018 1:29:31 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: goldstategop

Answered me own question

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/medical-malpractice-liability/canada.php


14 posted on 03/19/2018 1:31:07 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: 1Old Pro; originalbuckeye
the United States ($11,126).

"Per capita this is doubtful. A family of 4 isn't paying $45,000 for healthcare coverage."

Cf A state-by-state breakdown of per capita healthcare spending: "States with higher spending tend to have greater percentages of the population enrolled in Medicaid or Medicare, higher levels of personal income per capita and more healthcare capacity, while states with lower spending tend to have higher rates of uninsurance."

IOW, the less socialized the medicine in the state, the lower the cost, and the more money people have to spend, the more they spend on health care.

15 posted on 03/19/2018 1:34:07 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: SeekAndFind

Are there government mandated price controls and rationing in Canada?

Rationing can be that you can’t see a doctor for months; built into the system.


16 posted on 03/19/2018 1:43:27 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: originalbuckeye

August,2017 article.

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17 posted on 03/19/2018 1:46:45 PM PDT by Mears
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To: SeekAndFind; Former Proud Canadian; A Formerly Proud Canadian; JudyinCanada; Loyalist
In Canada everyone has access to mediocre health care for which they typically have to wait weeks (if not months) to receive.In the US most people have access to excellent health care for which they seldom have to wait at all.

One case in point...I,an ordinary middle class American,have had both my hips replaced.One was done 9 years ago,the other was done last year.

On both occasions I found myself in the recovery room of one of the world's most famous hospitals (hint:it's in Boston) no more than 11 business days after having made the phone call to make an appointment for an initial consultation with the surgeon.

In Canada (and Britain) one typically waits months for a hip replacement and often waits 6 months or more.

Also,a few years ago the Premier of one of Canada's Provinces (can't recall which one) needed heart surgery.Although he could have gone to any hospital in Montreal,Toronto or Vancouver he had his surgery in the United States.It was a big deal in Canada...he was labeled by many as a "traitor".

18 posted on 03/19/2018 1:54:21 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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To: originalbuckeye

I had expensive surgery last year, so I paid my maximum; $7800 for premiums and $3200 for deductibles. A total of about $11,000 for me.


19 posted on 03/19/2018 1:58:56 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: SeekAndFind

I used to vacation up north some years ago and recall a conversation with the owner of a fishing camp in Ontario.

The bad news is that he had a heart attack. The good news is that he was life-flighted to the mainland, had a multiple bypass and recovered. More good news was the total bill which was a little over $4,000 and change for the whole affair. There would have been NO bill at all had he not requested a semi-private room. Here’s the kicker - His total taxes for the year on the fishing camp was in the neighborhood of 75% of his gross income. Free wasn’t really free after all.

There was another owner of a marina who injured his knee when he tried to catch a boat that was coming into the dock too fast. He had to wait quite a while to see an orthopedist and had to cancel his appointment because there was a 6 foot swell on the lake and he couldn’t get across. He got another appointment, three or four MONTHS later.


20 posted on 03/19/2018 2:00:58 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (The Fourth Estate is now the Fifth Column)
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