Posted on 05/11/2018 9:18:13 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
Basically, what Jesus is saying is that the Jewish leadership who delivered Him to Pilate were more responsible for His suffering and death than the Romans.
Similarly, the Africans and Arabs who sold slaves to American slavers are more responsible for the sin of slavery that those they sold to. This in now way exonerates slave sellers or owners! It merely shows how the Lord sees things.
Neat!
If white men hadn’t created the demand, there would have been no Africans to fill it..../sarc
Oh, quick! reparations!
Pretty interesting:
“Clotilda was a two-masted schooner, 86 feet (26 m) long with a beam of 23 feet (7.0 m), and a copper-sheathed hull. Meaher had learned that West African tribes were fighting and that the King of Dahomey (now Benin) was willing to sell African slaves taken in warfare. The King of Dahomey’s forces had been raiding communities in the interior, bringing slaves to the port of Whydah, which had a large slave market.
Departing on March 4, 1860, Foster sailed from Mobile with a crew of 12, including himself. In addition to supplies, he carried $9,000 in gold for purchase of slaves. He arrived in Whydah on May 15, 1860, where he had the ship outfitted to carry slaves, using materials he had transported there. He offered to buy some 125 Africans in Whydah for $100 each. They were primarily Tarkbar people taken in a raid from near Tamale, present-day Ghana. He described meeting an African prince and being taken to the king’s court, where he also observed some religious practices. According to his journal, Foster was allowed to review 4,000 captive Africans held in a warehouse, from whom he chose 125 for purchase.
As the slaves were being loaded, Foster saw two steamers off the port and ordered the crew to leave immediately, although only 110 slaves had been secured on board. He ordered Clotilda to sail without the last fifteen slaves, in order to avoid capture. After making their way for a time, they saw a ‘man of war’, but were saved when a squall came up and they could outrun the ship...
... Fearful of criminal charges, Captain Foster brought the schooner in to the Port of Mobile at night and had it towed up the Spanish River to the Alabama River at Twelve Mile Island. He transferred the slaves to a river steamboat to take further upriver, then burned Clotilda “to the water’s edge” before sinking it...”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilda_%28slave_ship%29
This stood out to me: “According to his journal, Foster was allowed to review 4,000 captive Africans held in a warehouse, from whom he chose 125 for purchase.”
And we still see it today
That is a pointless argument because the article is the story of an American slave
One could pose the question, if he hadn’t been captured and survived only to be captured after the British stopped the slavers for good, would he have been better off? Captured after that point he would have been dead, or maybe his side would have won and the next tribe would lose their warriors.
Slavery was a product of the lawless culture then in Africa all based on tribal wars and their results. It is still there.
“Funny that blacks are not upset at the other blacks that beat their tribes and sold them into slavery.”
On the other hand, maybe thats why they are so murderous towards each other in the big cities like Chicago. Endless revenge.
We got the “losers” of the African internecine tribal warfare.
So we ought to quit throwing out statements that diminish the experience of those who were enslaved
Most US citizens are multiple generations away from the kind of tribalism that produced such situations
“Funny that blacks are not upset at the other blacks that beat their tribes and sold them into slavery.”
On the other hand, maybe thats why they are so murderous towards each other in the big cities like Chicago. Endless revenge.
...who then sold them to Democrats.
The market here in the US ,which is what the article is about, would not exist without white contributions.
It is intellectually dishonest to try and deflect by saying other people did it too or other people did worse
The article is talking about the US slave trade
I care about slavery today and yesterday. One cannot pretend that the US did not engage in the practice. Pointing at others saying they did it too is nothing but deflection
Until we face and deal directly with the issue it will forever haunt us
And we would never have known his story
Quit trying to deflect
He was obviously well treated if he lived to the age of 95. He probably would have died at a much younger age if he hadn’t been rescued from Africa.
It is interesting to note that this ‘last slave’ was brought into the US illegally. The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.
Wait, what?!? He’s lying. No way would fellow Africans ever sell their countrymen to whitey!!! Why, that would flip the entire blame game.
Yes. It’s sad this should have happened so late in the game.
There is guilt to go around. African tribes warred on one another and sold one another into slavery. And some of our great-great-great-grandparents bought them and put them to work.
And others of our great-great-great-grandparents were horrified at the thought and reality of it and worked to put an end to it.
That’s the way it goes. People tend to accept the norms of their times without question, but there are always a few who see evil before their fellows do, and over time the culture changes.
Still, no one alive is guilty of it, no one alive suffered it, no one alive paid the price to end it. So we ought to be able to look at the history dispassionately, and see it for what it was. You always look at history two ways: in the context of the times, and in the context of eternal principle. We always start from the times we live in, and move (hopefully) in the direction of eternal principle. Or away, sometimes...
You may want to look at “The Slave Ship” by Rediker.
Mostly from ship logs and sailors journals.
A grim tale of woe, but not all the usual horrors, a new category of victims.The sailors.
Most of the illnesses of the cargo were also suffered by the crew. The cargo had value, the crew replaceable.
A sick or weakened sailor is left in port.
Many of the forlorn sailors ended up with the same sick slaves in port and died together.
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