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Posted on 06/08/2018 5:56:20 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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TR= totalitarian republican.
Judge Napolitano, a brave man.”
Wrong a leftist mole at Fox.
To be fair, we know now what a disaster price controls and progressivism is. Teddy R is a mixed bag what was bad was really bad.
Regulating RR rates long predates Teddy Roosevelt. You need to read up on the Granger Laws than began as early as the 1860s. And the ICC itself was created in 1887.
But RRs were hardly abused innocents in the late 1800s. Fisk, Gould, Vanderbilt and their pals were the richest men in the country and routinely put politicians on their boards of directors. They were the most powerful companies in the country, if not the world, and many of them had gotten that way through government largesse. Gov’ts gave them free land. That happens when you pay off politicians.
The push for progressive era regulation owes a lot to the business practices of the RRS and their collaboration with Standard Oil under JD Rockefeller and Henry Flagler. It wasn’t something dreamt up by Teddy, Taft, and Wilson.
A fortunate fatal heart attack at age 60 saved us from a likely second TR presidency in 1920
A fortunate fatal heart attack at age 60 saved us from a likely second TR presidency in 1920
Whoever was last needs to be THE last.
Call Glenn I’m sure he wants to chat
I know price controls predate TR. However, I missed the part where President Granger signed the historic bill on the lawn of the White House.
It’s likely that price controls go back to the Romans and the Greeks and probably Hammurabi and the Pharaohs. I didn’t claim that the progressives invented price controls. I just want to expose who was the first President to implement them.
Whether or not the railroads were innocent or not is absolutely no excuse for the exponential growth of government. One thing we can all agree on, is that the progressives will never state that if we like our Constitution, we can keep our Constitution.
And as for the push for progressive era regulation? Sorry, no deal. The real reason for the push for progressive era regulation was the progressives power lust and demand for total government control over all of our lives. Railroads and gay weddings and making the world safe for democracy and conservation of the natural resources and medicare and social security - they are all smoke screens. Every last one of them. Nothing matters to progressives except power. That’s it. The ends justifies the means.
And their history proves it. That by far is the best part. That’s the fun part. The early progressives wrote it all down for us, we just have to go get it and use it. The later progressives too. We can read Saul Alinsky and guess what - there it is again. We just have to go and get it and use it.
I apologize if I am a little flippant, but I will probably go to my grave being half surprised and half frustrated to see conservatives on a conservative forum/gathering giving progressives a benefit of the doubt that is unearned. They have earned total suspicion and nothing more. Well, they’ve earned scorn too. Distrust. Contempt. I’m going to stop here.
I was aware that Wilson was trying to regulate almost everything
Which in today,s sick governmental universe, includes any and every business concern, since the Supreme Court absurdly keeps ruling that simply making an interstate telephone call related to any aspect of a business from any telephone in the world, transforms the action into "interstate commerce."
Wickard v Filburn needs to go.
Permanently
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Yep. And good points on your follow up comments here.
For a solid glimpse into TR’s descent into progressivism, read his message to Congress Jan. 1906:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29547
It's impossible to conclude that, absent this apparent "collusion" of the rich, the powerful and government, we might have never made use of the transcontinental network of railroads which played a crucial part in the rapid transportation system in the U.S., the envy of the world, which made victory possible in two world wars.
The Great Northern Railway built its transcontinental railroad using nothing but private investment. No federal subsidies of any sort. The only line to do so but showing that it could be done.
You just wouldn’t have had lines built out as quickly without, ahem, corporate welfare.
Using taxpayer money to build infrastructure, even privately owned infrastructure, was the old Whig Party agenda, the Whigs becoming the Republican Party, and Lincoln and succeeding Republican administrations did exactly that. It’s always amusing to see the Republican party venerated as the balanced budget, small gov’t party because it sure didn’t start out that way.
The bad part is that it leads to cronyism and all sorts of looting of the Treasury. Voters just have to decide if they are willing to let that happen. The railroad barons were among the great rich of that time, so imagine giving Bill Gates and Zuckerburg and pals a ton of taxpayer money to play with.
I don’t know who was first. But I do know that when NIXON implemented WAGE & PRICE controls, the unions went beserk!
They demanded some other form of compensation to replace Wage increases. Corporations were pressured to start paying for Healthcare. Initially it was a certain percentage. Subsequent demands eventually led to full payment by the corporation.
In 1959 when I was discharged from the Navy and was hired by AT&T, I had to pay for my own healthcare 100%. There were two options: FAMILY PLAN and INDIVIDUAL.
In my mind, that change was a major factor in creating the mess we have today. Time is really the toughest test for public policy!
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