Posted on 07/13/2018 9:12:09 PM PDT by Morgana
A post miscarriage dilation and curretage is not an abortion
It’s the removal of post miscarriage fecal matter from the wall of the uterus to stem infection and to stop uterine wall bleeding
Good lord man how you find that to be an abortion defies reason
And I’m familiar with these as well as a husband and father of five
No kidding
I was same as you
What an odd post
Jonah and Lauren are both wrong but he’s much uglier
Her view on abortion though makes a so pretty young heartland girl seem a lot less attractive
A real pity
As did he with Trixie
I suspect he’s one of the resident neocon south haters here
But I’m just paranoid maybe
But so many of them fly from the same nest
When a "conservative" reveals his inner cuck, it's usually over a piece of tail. How ironic.
Rationalization at it’s finest.
No, you can’t support abortion and be conservative.
Blinks a couple of times *hard*.
Never knew that.
BTW, didn't Howlin ride the lightning in the infamous bug-zapper thread (the one over Guiliani for Prez) ?
Very odd post.
‘Anembryonic pregnancy’ isn’t an uncommon thing. Neither is fetal demise from chromosomal/genetic issues. First trimester is when things ‘bootup’ and if something’s amiss the plug is pulled figuratively speaking. Sometimes the body doesn’t get the message and the resulting eventual miscarriage can be incomplete (retained products of conception that cause infection) or take weeks to complete. Depending on the type of pregnancy loss the advice can vary.
We do know now that hormonally (and with respect to cancer risk later one) it’s better to let things end naturally. That’s not always medically immediately adviseable though. For example, a molar pregnancy.
If your wife had a miscarriage the fetus was already non viable ....
Cleaning up her lady parts afterwards is not an abortion
What unusual things you’ve been told?
A miscarriage is not “aborting normally”...no such term actually
A miscarriage is a spontaneous loss of pregnancy
An abortion is not spontaneous
If one drinks cases of quinine water or takes RU486 to induce a miscarriage that’s not a miscarriage it’s a self induced abortion
If she’s sitting in the tub or after sex or drinking a milk shake watching tv a preggers gal bleeds heavily from her vagina in ways no need to further elaborate on here through no fault of her own then it’s a miscarriage
Surely you see the difference
No one can be a good person and support murdering innocent little preborn babies between conception and birth.
Jonah Goldberg should state what a person does have to stand for to be a conservative, according to him.
Once he has done that, he should state why those things are more important than the Right to Life.
No, I have never seen a pro-choice “conservative” stay conservative in other areas once in DC....they quickly become rinos. If you do not have the morals to protect the most vulnerable and weakest amongst us as a leader why would protect any other idea?
“That was just cruel.”
No, it was just accurate. Accuracy isn’t cruel or compassionate.
Neocons are communists who split with the USSR & invaded the GOP. He’s evil and can’t write.
Jonah’s a craven Never Trumper snot and mediocre mind who thinks that because his parental connections greased his way into the world of punditry that he is somehow a superior thinker.
And his wife is a speechwriter for Nikki Haley.
An abortionist is a conservative? Nope. Next.
And yet, you can’t be a democrat and be pro-life.
No, you cannot. Even apart from the moral issue--the willful taking of innocent human life--there is the constitutional issue: Roe v. Wade violated the Tenth Amendment, by the federal government taking away the rights of states to have laws against abortion. The Tenth Amendment principle of a limited federal government is essential to constitutional conservatism.
Also, the pro-abortion side has made the issue a threat to religious liberty, e.g., by attempting to punish organizations who refuse to provide abortion-causing drugs in their health plans. Thus it is also a First Amendment issue, i.e., the free exercise of religion.
I despise abortion. I don’t despise people who choose it. I despise rape and child molestation. But none of these sins or crimes will go away, no matter what the courts say, no matter what laws are on the books.
Being pro-life is wonderful. I’m pro-life. It’s IN THE CONSTITUTION.
But it isn’t the legality of abortion that has much effect on it. If someone wants to rape or murder, the laws never stop them. Same with abortion. Early abortions are just a dilation and curettage of the uterine lining. Such a procedure is done daily in hospitals. Sometimes for miscarriages, sometimes for menstrual or endometrial dysfunction. Doctors will still perform these even if abortion is illegal. No one but patient and doc will ever know there was an embryo with a beating heart in there.
If you are a conservative constitutionalist, you must believe in freedom and the right to life. But you can be realistic and not start a stupid legal battle that is as pointless as a “no assault weapons” battle. It isn’t possible. If you are trying to legislate morality it just won’t work. Human nature is too powerful. Sin will always be with us.
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