Posted on 11/30/2018 10:36:42 AM PST by RoosterRedux
Deportation was not the word used by the Lincoln administration. Their order, as transmitted through Stanton, was to "send C. L. Vallandigham under secure guard to the headquarters of General Rosecrans to be put by him beyond our military lines and in case of his return within our lines he be arrested and kept in close custody for the term specified in his sentence."
A general orders a law into existence, and a law which is actually contrary to you know, actual constitutional law and this is fine and dandy?
You don't like the dictatorship label, but these are exactly the sort of things a dictator does.
I don't know how the Southron version is supposed to make this sound worse, because what i've heard so far sounds pretty bad on it's own.
This is some Woodrow Wilson sh*t, 54 years before Wilson did it.
Well it’s just another thing for you to act aggrieved about I guess.
By what orders was Stuart suppose to attack the back side of the Union center on the 3rd day at Gettysburg.
Still don’t see how this is legal. The President can send American citizens to people with whom the US is at war?
And it’s another thing you can pretend is not dictatorial, even though it clearly is.
I believe it is assumed he would have seen the opportunity and just done it.
Life is just one big puzzle for you.
I'm not the one who's under the illusion that any of this stuff was legal. I have the answer to this. You seem to think it's a debatable point.
This was raw power.
Any proof that Stuart was actually ordered by Lee to attack the rear of the Union position on Cemetery Ridge.
So there is no written order from Lee ordering Stuart to attack the rear of Cemetery ride on the third day at Gettysburg.
I have no idea for sure, but I would assume there is not. I never tried to learn much about any of the battles. I have no interest in reading about people killing each other for no good reason.
I focus on how it started and why. After it started, it was nearly a foregone conclusion that the population four times as numerous and with probably ten times more resources, was going to win.
Every book on Gettysburg that I've read, by Sears and Trudeau and Wert, detail how Lee ordered Stuart to support the infantry charge by riding around the Union right flank and down the Baltimore Pike in the Union rear. The attack was as big a folly as Pickett's attack was because Stuart's men were tired and their mounts worn out from his joy ride through Pennsylvania. Union cavalry were able to repulse Stuart's men, though stupid leadership on the part of Kilpatrick led to heavier Union casualties than should have been necessary.
The correct question is, why wasn't Stewart at Gettysburg from the outset? But the answer to both questions is the same five words: Uncle Bob screwed the pooch.
Because Stuart’s ego demanded he duplicate the ride around the Union army he did during the Peninsula campaign.
In General Lee’s report of the Gettysburg Campaign to President Davis, he does not report ordering Stuart to carry out such an action. He details the orders given to Ewell, Hill and Longstreet. He details the orders given to Pendleton and Alexander, but nowhere does he mention any orders to Stuart for the actions on the 3rd day at Gettysburg. Lee does praise Stuart for his “protecting the left flank of the Army” on the 3rd day at Gettysburg. The theory that Lee ordered Stuart to attack the rear of the Union position at Cemetery Ridge while Longstreet’s forces the Union front is just that, a theory, there is no solid evidence to support that contention.
There were three possible routes for Stuart to follow into Pennsylvania. Lee gave Stuart the option to select his own route North. Stuart chose to move North into Pennsylvania by riding East of the Army of the Potomac. His miscalculation put him out of contact with Lee for eight days. While it was Stuart that chose the route, it was Lee that gave him the authority to do so. Your are correct in that Lee screwed the pooch with that decision.
What Lincoln did, didn’t do, the legality or illegality of any of it is, to me, in 2018, not very relevant. With a nation half in insurrection and at civil war, both Lincoln and Davis did what had to be done from their own perspectives. It’s easy to armchair General or armchair President what went down in 1861-1865.
Much more so than you realize. I constantly point out how the 14th amendment gave us abortion, homosexual marriage, anchor babies, banned prayer in public schools, and a whole host of other disasters.
Lincoln also boosted the size and scope of government power far beyond what the founders intended. He literally birthed the leviathan that is eating us alive now.
People don't see how modern problems are very much a consequence of Lincoln's actions, because they never bother to look at the whole sweep of history between now and then, and they don't realize how much of our current troubles were the consequence of those decisions he made about the civil war.
Great video, I agree with all of it except the part where he says what “we” means. ;-)
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