Posted on 12/09/2018 12:38:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv
Electricity rates in Europe are much higher than US rates.
https://1-stromvergleich.com/electricity-prices-europe/
Gasoline is taxed to death in Europe, but as we know, no one goes into tax collection out of a sense of public service. H.L. Mencken:
Weird, I posted those two as one message, I swear.
“All-wheel-drive Tesla Model 3 will have 338-mile range”
How many when the heater is turned on? Air conditioner?
The software that operates the car is reportedly pretty great, and when it crashes (ew, not a good term) and reboots, the car is still operable, that must be a plus. :^)
Rates vary on electricity. There's an automatic change in rate (at least in California, reportedly) if the user doesn't let the "tank" get too low before charging up. And the charge rate, at the supercharger station, slows down the longer the charge takes, to avoid overheating the batts. The "gas cap" pops open automatically as the human approaches with the charger "spigot", and glows green when the charge rate is "super".
As I wrote in the Jaguar topic yesterday, if they address their build quality problems, they're going to be in great shape. They'll be in even greater shape if they make a two-seater EV they can sell for $25K or under, because they'd sell by the jillions, leaving buyers with more money to spend on long trips in gasoline vehicles. :^)
Air conditioning use will reduce the range, just as it reduces the range of the gasoline vehicle. Then the car display tips off the driver, and shows the new range and the supercharging station in that range.
“My Mac has had a CCS charging port for years...what’s the big deal?”
Are CCS chargers intended for electronic devices? If so, charging a Tesla would take about 40 years.
“Once electric cars become more common, to the point of cutting gas tax revenue, expect them to be taxed.”
Is the fuel taxation to suppress use of personal vehicles or to suppress pollution?
“Air conditioning use will reduce the range, just as it reduces the range of the gasoline vehicle.”
Good point, but heating a gasoline vehicle adds not cost as it uses waste engine heat.
Also, range is more critical in an electric vehicle since it takes hours to refill.
I’d love to have an electric vehicle but would also have to have a gas powered one for longer trips. Therefore an electric car is out of the picture for now.
All-wheel-drive Tesla Model 3 will have 338-mile range
What’s the point in all-wheel drive in a sedan? Isn’t the cost of the Tesla an obstacle to sales?
Tesla will declare bankruptcy about a month after the Trump Admin ends the subsidies for EVs and hybrids.
Moot point.
Go back to yelling at clouds.
No, actually, Tesla won't. Go back to yelling at clouds of gas in your own ass.
“Then the car ... shows the ... nearest supercharging station”
Wowee! It tells you the nearest place where you’ll spend the next 4 or so hours.
“supercharging” - a little hype in there, huh?
Hate is an ugly thing.
The 220 vt home version will charge the car in 3 to 4 hours. Meanwhile, superchargers:
L3 chargers adjust their power levels based on temperature, battery capacity, battery state of charge, and other factors to protect the battery. L3 chargers provide peak power when the battery is warm and nearly empty. Charging at L3 rates is an intricate dance between the electrical grid, car, and charger.
As a general rule of thumb about how long it takes to charge on a Supercharger, think of it like this:
- 2030 minutes to go from 20% battery remaining to 80% full.
- 60 minutes to go from 20% battery remaining to 95%.
- 90 minutes to go from 20% battery remaining to 100%. [2017]
heating a gasoline vehicle adds not cost as it uses waste engine heat
What does that even mean? Particularly since that was in response to air conditioning.
Drive 4 hours; rest 1.5 hours to “refill the tank.”
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
It would be like driving cross country in 1915 all over again.
Electric cars make a lot more sense in densely populated Western or Central Europe where distances are smaller - or in the Boston-Washington stretch of the USA. Electricity can be cheaper here once they get the continent-wide grid up so that solar power from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece and wind power from the north sea can cover most of the continent’s energy needs.
“Tesla superchargers”
First, SunkenCiv, where did you sense “hate” in my posts?
I see that a Tesla supercharger is a real thing that operates as you describe. A 120kW charging rate is huge. A whole-house generator does about 12kW. A fully occupied charging site with 15 stations would use as much juice as about 100 households.
You ask what does it mean to say: “heating a gasoline vehicle does not cost as it uses waste engine” heat”. Let me know really need an explanation.
You ask why I mention that since you had mentioned only air conditioning. I mentioned it because you failed to comment on heating, which is a larger user of energy than cooling.
I don’t understand why Tesla doesn’t sell electric delivery trucks and the like that could run a known route during the day and be recharged overnight. Those just might sell like hotcakes, but they’re not sexy.
Therein lies the Tesla strategy. Electric vehicles aren’t cost effective. Sexiness is the major reason for their appeal.
Highlights from Musk’s 60 Minutes interview
Dec. 9, 2018 7:38 PM ET
By: Clark Schultz, SA News Editor
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3415479-highlights-musks-60-minutes-interview
Elon Musk made it clear right up front that he doesn’t respect the SEC.
The CEO handpicked Robyn Denholm to be his replacement as the Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) chairman.
Musk said he didn’t have a happy childhood.
He called the Model 3 introduction an American success story, while conceding that the ramp was a life-or-death struggle.
There’s also some rehashing of the all nighters at the Fremont plant that have been reported on previously.
Musk took CBS’ Leslie Stahl on a test drive that included using Autopilot.
Musk “guessed” that the $35K Model 3 could arrive in five or six months. Are you a doubter? Musk conceded that punctuality isn’t his strength.
Taking over a GM plant sounds interesting to Musk if an opportunity comes around.
"supercharging" - a little hype in there, huh?
Hate is an ugly thing.
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