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Scientists stunned by discovery of 'semi-identical' twins
The Guardian ^ | February 27, 2019 | Nicola Davis

Posted on 02/28/2019 4:04:42 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: House Atreides

“By what mechanism did the two absolutely identical maternal haploids come about?”

That is a separate issue than what I addressed: that “an unfertized human egg could split into two”.

Think about why an unfertilized egg can’t split in to two.


41 posted on 02/28/2019 6:27:08 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: House Atreides

If you read the article then your problem is comprehending the information?


42 posted on 02/28/2019 6:53:31 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Kriggerel

(M.Sc. in Reproductive Physiology, in case you wondered).
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Yay...some useful expertise. In this situation, can you explain how two identical maternal haploids arose - I’m assuming from what originally was a single haploid. I asked another poster who seemed that he/she might have some expertise but that poster preferred to play “cute” instead of answering.

Thanks.


43 posted on 02/28/2019 6:58:04 PM PST by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENT)
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To: Tax-chick

Perhaps it was the freemartin issue, I was reading about dairy farming and they want heifers!


44 posted on 02/28/2019 7:44:31 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: House Atreides

Actually, from the article itself, the ovum actually split three ways. The problem with polyspermy is that you get a polyploid situation in the ovum, which has to be evened out during the division cycles, or the resultant daughter cells quickly become non-viable (you can see polyploidy in some plants, which can adapt to tetraploid, and hexaploid situations, but animal cells generally cannot). What happened was that the fertilised ovum split into two daughter cells, each with maternal haploid chromosomes matched up to paternal haploid, as is normal, although the paternal chromosomes themselves were a mix n’ match from each of the two sperm. Still The two normal maternal haploid (from the first mitosis event) matched up to the normal compliment of paternal haploid formed paternal chromosomal chimeras, but still, everything was hunky-dory. There was also an extra mitotic event, where the two ‘odd’ sets of paternal haploid chromosomes were forced to match with each other, and this third cell quickly became non-viable.

Best I can answer it, and still keep it in reasonably layman’s terms. Not sure if that helps.


45 posted on 02/28/2019 7:48:14 PM PST by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: originalbuckeye

Non quite there are modi and momo identical twins. Modi is common, momo is very high risk sadly


46 posted on 02/28/2019 8:38:46 PM PST by vmpolesov
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To: Kriggerel

Quadrotriticale.

(Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)


47 posted on 02/28/2019 10:35:48 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks EveningStar.

48 posted on 03/02/2019 2:55:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks EveningStar.

As usual, I forgot to ping you. Sorry. :(

49 posted on 03/02/2019 4:35:13 PM PST by EveningStar (I am a Non-Cultist Trump Supporter.)
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To: Chickensoup

Look up ‘freemartin’. Somewhat common in cattle; now, it seems to also (very rarely) occur in humans, too.


50 posted on 03/02/2019 11:48:20 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!�)
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To: EveningStar
:^) No problemo.

51 posted on 03/03/2019 7:03:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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