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Prince Hal's Head-Wound: Cause and Effect [Battle of Shrewsbury 1403]
Medievalists ^ | May 20, 2013 | Michael Livingston

Posted on 04/19/2019 12:30:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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1 posted on 04/19/2019 12:30:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 04/19/2019 12:31:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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From the description it’s a wonder he survived the treatment. But it was a brilliant bit of healing for the time. I have to wonder if he was unconscious or made unconscious for the process of removal. Not to mention the following 20 days of treatments.


3 posted on 04/19/2019 12:48:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The description of the procedure to extract the arrow is quite brutal, but no doubt not unique for the times.


4 posted on 04/19/2019 12:49:26 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: SunkenCiv

Simply amazing medical work in 1403.

Life was hell during those days...


5 posted on 04/19/2019 1:08:03 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught (Remember Kavanaugh)
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life was hell through out the Dark Ages in Europe. The rest of the world no so much. Old Kingdom Egypt had better medical than the Europeans 4500 years later in the Dark Ages ...


6 posted on 04/19/2019 1:22:13 AM PDT by PIF (They camTo think the choice came down to Gorka/Bannon oe for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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They had crude but working battery cells in egypt.


7 posted on 04/19/2019 1:24:46 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; PIF
Too bad the ancient aliens didn't stay around to help. Or did they? :-)


8 posted on 04/19/2019 1:36:25 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv

I once took an arrow to the knee


9 posted on 04/19/2019 2:00:21 AM PDT by AndrewB (Z)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Those images which look like light bulbs are actually something else to do with a representation of a plant connected to a ‘god’ - I don’t recall which of what as lack adequate AM coffee.

Those ‘battery cells’ may also actually be something else since modern Egyptology is in existential turmoil at present. Nothing long claimed as true is correct, since most everything is based on “dynasty dating” (with some carbon dating thrown in - but modern bio-thermoluminescence dating is forbidden for all practical purposes).

The “dynasty dating” is based on a 19-20th century known forgery called the Kings List. The List says King X lived before King Y, but King Y at times used the same name as King X; and no one knows who all the kings are or even who the first kings were.

However, Old Kingdom Egypt (OKE) had excellent surgeons using technics not rediscovered until the 19-20th Centuries AD.


10 posted on 04/19/2019 2:11:40 AM PDT by PIF (They camTo think the choice came down to Gorka/Bannon oe for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SunkenCiv
I've read this account before; he mentions twenty days healing but I wonder how long it took to open up the wound and remove the arrowhead - this process (not to mention fabricating the metal tongs and screw) must have gone on over several days as well?

The monarch's portraits all hide the injured side:


11 posted on 04/19/2019 2:42:21 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bump for after work...


12 posted on 04/19/2019 2:59:55 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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My only regret is that you beat me to the pop cultural reference.

CC


13 posted on 04/19/2019 4:02:59 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: AndrewB

Were you an Adventurer before that?


14 posted on 04/19/2019 4:07:45 AM PDT by The Chid
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To: SunkenCiv

Stunning...

And he lived.


15 posted on 04/19/2019 4:36:03 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SunkenCiv

An amazing story! His doctor removed the arrow using honey as a disinfectant. That is why the one contemporary painting of Prince Hal shows him in profile.


16 posted on 04/19/2019 5:13:41 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: SunkenCiv


Massive Head Wound Henry?
17 posted on 04/19/2019 5:16:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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"I made small probes from the pith of an elder, well dried and well stitched in purified linen...…The doctor squirted white wine and put into the wound a probe"

It's interesting that a couple if centuries before antiseptics were not used treating Civil War wounds in the US, the doctor treating Prince Hal seemed to be aware of the necessity of cleanliness.

18 posted on 04/19/2019 6:22:55 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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It is suggestive. But it could also be the difference between treating a single VIP casualty and 5,000 in a single day. Imagine how much white wine the Army of the Potomac would have had to carry to cleanup after another debacle against Lee & Jackson?


19 posted on 04/19/2019 7:34:57 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d*mned! The narrative of the day must be preserved!)
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"But it [antiseptics] could also be the difference between treating a single VIP casualty and 5,000 in a single day."

True, but effective antiseptics were somewhat known at the time of the Civil War. I happened to visit the history tour at Mayo clinic a couple of years ago. Dr. Mayo got his start as a Civil War surgeon. When it was over, he started his clinic in a small sleepy village in the middle of nowhere, Minnesota. However, he happened to use both antiseptics and antiesthetic during his surgeries. He quickly gained a nationwide reputation that not only did his treatments not hurt, they also didn't kill you. It seems quite interesting that it took 250 years, or more, for antiseptics to be put into common practice.

20 posted on 04/19/2019 7:51:42 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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