Moscow Snuffs Out Religious Liberty in Eastern Ukraine

Cato Institute ^ | Apr 2019 | Doug Bandow

[NorseViking]

Ukrainian is a sort of Spanglish between Russian and Polish. It is much more Russian than Polish though. Russian and Ukrainian are mutually intelligible.

[tlozo]

The Ukrainian govt recently formed a state-run church, and seized all Orthodox churches

Each parish decides which church it belong to.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russias-war-in-ukraine-leads-to-historic-split-in-the-orthodox-church

[yldstrk]

my grandmother always made it plain she had been a Russian living in Ukraine. She hated Communists and left for China with her mother and sister. She was about 18 then. She passed her hatred of Communists to me.

[dangus]

Well, it should be very telling that the Ukrainian president based his re-election on this, and lost worse than 3-to-1.

[NorseViking]

I fully understand her feelings.

[wardaddy]

You just posted Ukrainian nationalist propaganda map

I’ve seen those too

Good luck with your Ukeslavia

[tlozo]

You just posted Ukrainian nationalist propaganda map

Its the results from the 2001Ukrainian Census

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Ukraine#/media/File:UkraineNativeLanguagesCensus2001detailed-en.png

[mac_truck]

It turns out that your understanding comes from being an armchair warrior on FR, making stuff up out of thin air, and then insisting you know for sure it is true.

And that anyone who disbelieves you is an agent or denying the truth because you saw it written down somewhere.

Just like how all those people skeptical of the mueller investigation were suspect agents, nice discussion technique.

I walked through a gulag museum in Russia. They didn’t downplay anything. They go into fine detail about killing of Christians. There is a functioning Christian monastery with services at the gulag. There are tours of all the sites and multilanguage guides.

There is a lot of ‘contrarian’ sympathy for Stalin in both Russia and Ukraine. Some people will say they demonize him because they are against all things soviet, and they actually miss aspects of soviet times (order, pension, whatever). I have heard people in Ukraine say outrageous things like that the people killed were corrupt and needed to be killed. As if they can judge even one person enough to say they deserve death, let alone millions.

There is a big statue of a communist on hill next to monastery i visit in ukraine. The taxi driver thinks it is strange I want to go monastery, but points at statue and says what a great man he was.

There are a lot of people who a communist and not christian. Some people are just nominally christian cause it is a national identity thing. But then the same thing with their communism, some don’t really know it but just like ancestors/history. Or maybe their school/family/govt taught that. There is a lot of brainwashing everywhere and we are doomed to repeat mistakes of history we don’t know

Nice rant Mount Athos...worth repeating.

[Mount Athos]

Thanks, I don’t think I was completely coherent but was a good effort