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Trump is not a lawyer - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
bbc.com ^ | December 17, 2019 | BBC

Posted on 12/17/2019 11:27:16 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper

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To: JoSixChip

Lil buzzard still chirping partisan nonsense


81 posted on 12/17/2019 2:17:10 PM PST by italianquaker
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To: colorado tanker
"I would say with near certainty, however, that the Chief would not exercise such authority if any Senators objected."

I think it would be well within the authority of the Chief Justice to inquire of the Senate whether or not hearsay shall be accepted as evidence. This would shorten the proceedings considerably.

Along the same lines, I think he could inquire as to whether it shall be permissible to dismiss the charges against Trump for failure to state a specific impeachable offense. A vote by 51 Senators to allow such a dismissal would grant the Chief Justice that authority.

I don't think that the Chief Justice would be bound by what any single Senator decides. I am quite convinced the vote of 99 Senators to reject the impeachment would suffice to accomplish just that.

82 posted on 12/17/2019 3:30:37 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

A vote by 51 Senators to dismiss an impeachment should be a valid action in light of the fact that the Constitution requires 2/3 to remove from office.


83 posted on 12/17/2019 3:39:48 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: haircutter
Do they sell "Get Dead Soon" cards at Hallmark?   thinking face winking face
84 posted on 12/17/2019 3:50:51 PM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“He’s not law trained.”

In other words, He doesn’t LIE for a Living


85 posted on 12/17/2019 4:52:22 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Mariner
His presidntial power is limited to ruling on the rules provided to him by the Senate.

Says who? The Senate. What else would you expect the Senate to say? The model the Framers described is judge and jury. Juries don't make up the rules.

ML/NJ

86 posted on 12/17/2019 6:03:49 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: colorado tanker
"A vote by 51 Senators to dismiss an impeachment should be a valid action in light of the fact that the Constitution requires 2/3 to remove from office."

I don't disagree.

However, the devil is in the details.

It does appear as if the Founders intended more than just a debate and vote by the Senate. Having the Chief Justice preside must have a purpose. The Founders expected a trial. From the Constitution, "The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, ...".

The implication of that quote would seem to be that an impeachment MUST be a criminal trial. That has incredible consequences for Trump. He is to be afforded every right that any defendant has (except the Senate is the jury). That would include a presumption of innocence and the right not to be a witness against himself. Does Executive Privilege apply to such an impeachment trial? Hmmm...

I think this creates a strong presumption that the presiding judge, the Chief Justice, CAN dismiss for lack of a specific crime. "Gross Unpopularity" won't cut it.

I think it unlikely that Chief Justice Roberts will create a new exception to the inadmissibility of hearsay. I think it unlikely that the Chief Justice will allow a witness to "presume" something which he didn't witness. I think it unlikely that he would accept a charge of "Contempt of Congress" for Trump suggesting that the Supreme Court should rule on the applicability of Congressional subpoenas. Otherwise we would have to believe that the power to issue subpoenas by Congress is unlimited.

87 posted on 12/17/2019 6:08:31 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Berlin_Freeper
From the linked article: "In the conversation, she [Ginsburg] also implied that senators who display bias should be disqualified from acting as jurors in the trial."

What a knucklehead. Do you suppose that there is even one "unbiased" Senator? Who would that be?

Furthermore, the verdict to convict must consist of 2/3 of the Senators "present". It appears that the Founders already outlined the qualifications to sit as a juror. What power on earth could stop even a biased Senator from being "present" during a Presidential impeachment trial?

88 posted on 12/17/2019 6:31:45 PM PST by William Tell
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To: kiryandil

HALLMARK CARDS???

I would avoid anything Hallmark today, tomorrow, and forever from now on....


90 posted on 12/17/2019 9:52:29 PM PST by haircutter
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To: kiryandil

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91 posted on 12/17/2019 9:55:17 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: gcparent
Billy Boy (a ‘lawyer) in the WH is certainly NO kind of vocational recommendation for a President OR a candidate!!

If the best Billy Boy could do in his own defense was to hector Americans about the definition of ‘is’... then NO!!! Absolutely not! Being a ‘lawyer’ is more of a dis-qualifier than anything else in a nominee OR a President!

Thanks Billy Boy!

92 posted on 12/18/2019 5:18:20 AM PST by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".)
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To: William Tell

I have nothing but contempt for Congress. Didn’t know that was a crime!


93 posted on 12/18/2019 12:05:33 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Berlin_Freeper

RBG is getting nastier as the time winds down.


94 posted on 12/18/2019 12:07:08 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

[url=https://imgbb.com/][img]https://i.ibb.co/cYMK0dK/reaper.jpg[/img][/url]

hey, ruthie..

this guy is lurking.......


95 posted on 12/18/2019 12:13:59 PM PST by QualityMan
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To: QualityMan
or....this guy... reaper
96 posted on 12/18/2019 12:17:21 PM PST by QualityMan
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To: QualityMan

It’s time for Trump to Declare Ruth in Contempt of President.


97 posted on 12/18/2019 12:19:18 PM PST by Arones
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To: Berlin_Freeper

High crimes and misdemeanors?


98 posted on 12/18/2019 12:19:47 PM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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