Posted on 03/14/2020 7:19:35 PM PDT by NoLibZone
Yes he survived. 35 years old. He took group transportation from Seattle airport so probably gave it to others.
I have yet to see anything that says people under the age of 75 should be concerned. Except for toilet paper.
I’m in Newport Beach (will be back today). Where about in OC, if you don’t mind?
Yes. They’re magnificent carriers/transmitters of every variety of pathogen. Especially given they often don’t exhibit any symptoms.
I’m in NH.
Rain will take out the aerosolized virus (debate is still ongoing as to the level of threat from this) along with all the other trash in the air, and wash the streets, so a good thing.
Warm weather doesn’t guarantee the end of this. We can hope, but it is doing pretty well in some warm-hot regions. Singapore (equatorial) was looking like they had it contained, but it is spreading there again. I credit their containment efforts more than the weather.
If you don’t have to go out, don’t.
I’m in Los Angeles visiting my mother, eager to get back to Orange County. Thanks for the advice. It’s been raining on and off here for more than a week. Highly unusual, most welcome.
The ten day forecast portends a lot more rain. A few weeks ago, talk was returning to drought.
“Or, hopefully, because of the hot temperatures there.”
India is at the same latitude as China.
Hope is fine, but if it doesn’t work out, best to be prepared. I wouldn’t hang my hat on the temperature thing, and even so, fall in the southern hemisphere is approaching.
It’s still spreading in some fairly warm places. Looks like it’s starting to get noticed in South America and Africa, now.
For most people, it costs very little to do some basic prep, just in case. You don’t want to be that starving guy that wanders around the quarantine zone begging for anything, even cat food, while you spread the virus.
Irvine
I have friends and family in Germany. It isn’t bad there, yet, I’m told. I have acquaintances from around the world. Many have disappeared from the web. I don’t think they’re dead or even sick, just busy amidst the turmoil. Some kids from the local youth choir were touring in Italy. Came back just as things were exploding there. Guess who’s in quarantine, along with the teachers that were chaperoning them? Yeah. Two of my daughters participated in that choir, one graduated a couple years ago, the other too young for the trip. But that is just one degree of separation.
All this stuff is needed to keep Italy from happening here. I’d do more, frankly, if it were my purview, but I expect President Trump is doing as much as he can. I noticed that many of the political class did an about-face on policies, all around the same time, and almost everybody is on board. Guess they got briefed.
Much of what is being done has precedent. In the last real global pandemic, the disease didn’t get around nearly as fast, so all the countermeasures didn’t happen simultaneously like they are now. But closures, isolations, city quarantines, travel bans - none of this is new.
Simple, basic prep, for the possibility of a few weeks at home, should be enough. Utilities and services should continue to work pretty much at normal levels. More intense prep isn’t likely to be necessary, but don’t take that as any kind of discouragement. Panic of any sort is counterproductive. The more you stay away from other people, the better your chances of not even catching this disease.
The vast majority of people that would die if our HCS collapsed, like Wuhan, like Italy, will live if everybody does their part.
So far in the US we have few cases, but we clearly have community spread.
In Italy they were caught napping and now it is a disaster. I suspect their death toll will overtake China’s within a week. And that’s after they belatedly took drastic action to contain the virus.
So 1 in 15 of all Italians aren’t going to die, but in the most affected area, they have 1 in 15 infected dying because they lost control and it blew up their HCS. That 1 in 15 doesn’t include collateral damage, either.
If you did basic prep you ought to be fine. A couple of weeks binge watching your favorite show or reading or catching up on (inside) chores is hopefully the worst you’ll have to face. There will be hotspots here and there but with the country effectively on a war (and this is war, albeit against a nonhuman adversary) footing, outbreaks should be squelched without too much disruption.
Most people will be fine. The danger is primarily in the potential to overwhelm the HCS. Social distancing, being prepared, those are the most effective tactics and everybody can do them.
“You know why it just doesn’t fit your narrative”
Looks like they are starting to find a lot of cases in South America, Africa and India. Because they have started looking.
The hot weather theory was always based on wishful thinking, with some contrary evidence available all along. I still hope it is true, but I’m not betting any lives on it. The common cold, also a corona virus, doesn’t go away in warm weather; doesn’t have a season like the common flu. What happens is people naturally spread out in warmer weather instead of all being in the same box sneezing all over each other. We should see something similar with CV, but there is no guarantee it goes away “completely” like the flu.
My narrative is concisely stated in my tag line.
The major issue is so many folks get this bug and have little or no symptoms and never report
So nobody can say how many die..
With flu it’s an estimate.
Not with this so far...which has driven the death rate way up
Count me among those who think a viral respiratory contagion will fare poorly in warm weather
True, and over 80,000 died from it in 2018 (USA).
But as concerns causes of death.
Number of deaths in the United States today so far: 3,567 as of 2:42:22 PM Sun, 03/15/20 (https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states)
about 7,196 Americans die every day in the US from a wide range of causes, both natural and unnatural. (https://www.weisspaarz.com/leading-causes-death-by-state/)
More than 2600 Americans die every day of cardiovascular disease. ("Hidden," Jones & Bartlett Publishers)
Doctors blamed heart disease for 647,457 deaths in 2017 — more than four times the number of deaths caused by the next most common cause, chronic lower respiratory diseases. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/60/)
274 people die every day from blood clots, according to the National Blood Clot Alliance. (https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/what-are-the-warning-signs-of-a-blood-clot)
In 2017, 83,564 people died from complications related to diabetes. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/55/) It is frequently stated in scientific and lay literature that obesity causes about 300 000 deaths per year in the United States...it may difficult to develop accurate and precise estimates. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448478/) Obese people account for 37 percent of the United States’ population, but obesity-related diseases and health problems account for 61 percent of healthcare costs in the United States every year (“The Economics of Overweight and Obesity,” 2007).
500 people with diabetes die prematurely every week. (https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/premature-deaths-diabetes) Diabetes can cause heart disease, kidney failure, and blindness, and costs the US health care system and employers $237 billion every year. (https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/about/costs/index.htm)
Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu in 2018... 90 percent of those deaths were in people over age 65 (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.html) A four-week stretch saw the flu kill older Americans at a rate of 169 people a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html)
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010. (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html)
Accidental poisoning accounted for 64,795 deaths in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/54/)
In 2017, 6,118 people died from inflammation of the colon and small intestine caused by infection with the Clostridium difficile, or C. diff, bacteria, which is often resistant to antibiotics.
47. In 2017, 6,118 people died from inflammation of the colon and small intestine caused by infection with the Clostridium difficile, or C. diff, bacteria, which is often resistant to antibiotics. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/)
1,500 die every day from cancer ... Cancer remains the second-leading cause of death in the U.S., behind heart disease. (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/report-1500-die-every-day-from-cancer/),
91 people on average die every day from opioid overdoses (https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/08/21/how-drug-overdose-is-a-leading-cause-of-death-among-young-people/2/)
Breast cancer claimed 42,510 lives in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/49/)
About 90 people die each day in the US from crashes (https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.html) According to CDC statistics, there were 40,231 deaths caused by motor vehicle accidents in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/47/)
(Doctors blamed sepsis in the blood — also known as septicemia — for 40,922 deaths in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/48/)
HIV was listed as the cause of death for 5,698 Americans in 2017 (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/14/)
Doctors blamed Parkinson's disease for 31,963 deaths in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/43/)
Doctors blamed alcohol-related liver diseases for 22,246 deaths in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/38/)
According to CDC statistics, 23,854 people died of suicide by gunshot in 2017. (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/40/)
Each day, ten Americans die from asthma, and in 2017, 3,564 people died from it. (https://www.aafa.org/asthma-facts/)
In 2017, statistics show that 486 people died after accidentally being shot with a gun [#59 out of a list of 61 by CBS, but which lists it as the first page] (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/2/
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I was just reading about a 60-year old in Bellevue (~6 miles south of the nursing home). She felt ill with “the flu” on Tuesday and left work early. Weds. she worked from home. Thursday she was found dead in her home!
I was reading about her.. She was a law clerk.. Was it the Flu?
I think they are investigating it. They can do the test postmortem (which they did with some of the Life Care Center people that had died prior to the news of the virus in that place). I would imagine it is the corona virus. Makes me think of those videos out of China where the guy is lying dead on the street with his bags of groceries at his side.
Well enough to go to the store and shop, but then dies on the way home!
Michigan bopped up from 45 to 53 cases just today, includes a child.
as it the flu?”
I think they are investigating it. They can do the test postmortem (which they did with some of the Life Care Center people that had died prior to the news of the virus in that place). I would imagine it is the corona virus. Makes me think of those videos out of China where the guy is lying dead on the street with his bags of groceries at his side.
Well enough to go to the store and shop, but then dies on the way home!
That is weird huh? She went home from Work.. Died that night.. She was 60. She could have had a heart attack!
Of course - lots of ways to die.
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