Gloom and BOOM!

Pastor J D Farag ^ | 4/26/2020 | J.D Farag

[MHGinTN]

I am questioning your interpretation of the passage. I am in no way calling the passage false. Why would you try to float such a scurrilous accusation?

[aimhigh]

Read the verses, it clearly says the day of Christ’s coming to gather us won’t happen until two things happen; the falling away and the revealing. The text is plain. Read what it says without a preconceived filter or interpretation.

[aimhigh]

“Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, . .” 2 Thess 2:1-3

[MHGinTN]

1 Thess 1:9For they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. ESV

9For they themselves relate of us, what manner of entering in we had unto you: and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God. 10And to wait for his Son from heaven (whom he raised up from the dead), Jesus, who hath delivered us from the wrath to come. D-R Bible

[aimhigh]

One scripture doesn’t nullify another scripture. If you think it does, then your doctrine is flawed.

[MHGinTN]

Sorry, your effort has not proven the doctrine of immanency in error. If there had to be even one sign fulfilled the imminence of the Lord returning for His own would be canceled. But you tired, you really tried.

[aimhigh]

Remember, the reference to the wrath to come is a reference to God’s wrath, not the anti-Christ’s wrath. The anti-Christ will be revealed before the wrath begins.

[MHGinTN]

BTW, were you aware that the first several translation of the Greek to English interpreted apostasy as The Departure? With the enflaming passions of the reformation, it was the DR Bible which changed the interpretation, and then later the King James changed it again to read ‘falling away’, maybe to soften the splitting for the heretical Catholic Organization, perhaps?

[aimhigh]

Sorry, your effort has not proven the doctrine of immanency in error.

You haven't proven that doctrine is true. The scriptures dealing with Christ's coming speak of Him coming suddenly, not anytime.

[MHGinTN]

It clearly nullifies your personal interpretation, and that was all I aimed to do.

[MHGinTN]

Have a nice decade, but don’t accept the Mark.

[aimhigh]

That translation doesn't even make sense. If you accepted that translation, that passage would say "the gathering doesn't happen until the departure comes first".

[MHGinTN]

Um, how many are killed when the rider on the White Horse carrying a bow with no arrows gallops onto the scene? THAT is the wrath beginning, by releasing the man of sin upon the world since the one Who restrains is taken out of the way.

[MHGinTN]

Nonsense

[aimhigh]

Mi>Um, how many are killed when the rider on the White Horse carrying a bow with no arrows gallops onto the scene? THAT is the wrath beginning,<.i>

If that is the beginning of the wrath, then why do the souls at the fifth seal ask, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" If the wrath had started, they wouldn't ask that question.

[aimhigh]

And to the soul’s question, Jesus said, ‘not yet’.

[MHGinTN]

Again, nonsense. The one's asking the question of God are Tribulation martyrs.

Now, would you like to discuss the sermon from Pastor J D Farag? Have you watched the video?

[MHGinTN]

Kerping

[aimhigh]

Consider the text introducing the video:
"If you believe the removal of the Believers of and in Jesus Christ as Savior, your personal Savior, well if you are a believer we are soon outta here."

Where does scripture tell us we have to believe in a pre-trib rapture in order to be raptured?

[MHGinTN]

It doesn’t, not anywhere in the Old or New Testament. Ask yourself how you came to that perspective from the sentence I wrote. If you can honestly look at your error, jumping to the conclusion you wanted so desperately to oppose, if you can see that you will get something out of watching Pastor Farag’s sermon. But it appears you are not even going to. And why is that?