Posted on 05/05/2020 8:52:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
I think the lesson plan is only slightly wrong.
Didn’t Geldof write a song called “I Don’t like Hitler” by the Desert Rats?
As I understand, Churchill met with Stalin behind FDR’s back and initially negotiated a bunch of postwar Europe to the Soviets in exchange for the rest, which never happened. The USSR just took what they wanted.
Patton was right to be worried about the USSR at the time, while most just shrugged at it.
Well, there was that little matter of Pearl Harbor. I can't imagine America was going to fight with the Japanese after they attacked us. Unless you want to tell us Churchill engineered that too.
As Germany, you seem to forgot, it was Germany that declared war on the US on December 11 1941, just 4 days after the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbour.
Nobody is denying Stalin and the USSR were evil.
But the idea Paton had of invading Russia at the end of WWII...that was nuts.
If we couldn’t even control Afghanistan or Iraq or Vietnam after invading those countries, how do you think we could have conquered and controlled Russia under Stalin?
There is that little matter of the fact that the American Communist Party was founded in 1919, not a whole lot long after the Soviet Communist Party in 1912
Socialists and communists had been active n America long before WWII
True, their were Soviet plants near FDR, but they weren’t the ones who steered FDR into going easy on the USSR, it was Churchill. He forced the U.S. to cater to Stalin’s every desire.
FDR was the one who put Alger Hiss in charge of the negotiations, not Churchill. You can debate whether the Venona Papers were conclusive or not, but not Hiss’ stance in giving away Eastern Europe, and other breaches of faith.
Well, you need to read up on how the New Deal was a system to buy votes.
And that is new how?
Politicians have been buying votes since there was politics.
in all fairness i thought Bob Geldof was great in “The Wall”. who needs this history crap anyway
L8r
“All the things Freepers like to hate today, can be traced back to World War II.”
Absolutely untrue. Ideas influenced by European style socialism began coming to the United States long before that. Few American universities granted PHD degrees in the late 1900s and early twentieth century so Americans went to Europe, particularly Germany, to earn them. That’s where the rot began.
The Frankfurt School became influential long before WWII. Marxist agitators were common in the US right after WWI. It got so bad that people like Emma Goldstein got deported.
He’s deluded.
“Japan was obligated, by their alliance with Germany, to go to war with the USSR, they instead signed the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact.”
This is not the case. Japan was under no treaty obligation with Germany to declare war on the USSR.
September 1940, Tripartite Pact
ARTICLE 3. Japan, Germany, and Italy agree to cooperate in their efforts on aforesaid lines. They further undertake to assist one another with all political, economic and military means if one of the Contracting Powers is attacked by a Power at present not involved in the European War or in the Japanese-Chinese conflict.
Since it was Germany that attacked the Soviet Union, Art 3 of the Tripartite Pact does not require Japan to declare war on the Soviet Union.
The Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact was signed in April 1941. At that time there was no war between Germany and the USSR. The German’s war with the Soviet Union started in June 1941.
If it says that about Churchill I wonder what ‘Tes’ says about US figures?
“...FDR should have been charged as a traitor for Churchill swindling him into not requiring the USSR to declare war on Japan immediately.”
That is just Nancy-nutty.
bump for later
And the American Communist Party was founded in 1919, not that long after Lenin founded the Soviet Communist Party in 1912.
Obviously!
Absolutely untrue. Ideas influenced by European style socialism began coming to the United States long before that. Few American universities granted PHD degrees in the late 1900s and early twentieth century so Americans went to Europe, particularly Germany, to earn them. That’s where the rot began... The Frankfurt School became influential long before WWII. Marxist agitators were common in the US right after WWI....
Very much agree, SoCal Pubbie. It was all laid out in detail in Fabian Freeway: High Road to Socialism in the U.S.A. 1884-1966 by Rose L. Martin, first published in 1966 but suppressed and out of print for many years because of the pro-marxism of the homegrown '60s progressive revolutionaries. Interest in it as a stunning indictment of this nation's usurpation has recently been revived. It is on Kindle now and well worth reading. Scarce original hardcovers and paperbacks are selling for fantastic sums.
Freeper progressingamerica may know where to get it online.
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