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Was Edward the Black Prince really a nasty piece of work?
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| 7 July 2014
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Posted on 05/14/2020 12:18:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:18:07 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:21:13 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
Sounds like mostly the traitors were executed.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:31:24 PM PDT
by
2banana
(My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
To: SunkenCiv
Edward is supposed to be a great-uncle of mine. His brother John of Gaunt is my 17th great-grandfather with Katherine Swynford.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:32:34 PM PDT
by
mass55th
("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
To: SunkenCiv
Good synopsis. Froissart as with almost all historians of his time couldn't count or more precisely liked to jazz up his text with grossly inflated numbers of dead.
The Black Prince was a fine battle captain well liked by his men and a popular figure in England. His forces looted and plundered across France in the same manner all armies did then. At Limoges he was carried in a litter to the site. He may have been dying from either abdominal cancer or diabetes , considering the sketchy description of his final illness. Whatever it was it was painful and protracted. His insistence on being at the site of the siege says a great deal about his soldierly qualities.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:33:54 PM PDT
by
robowombat
(Orthodox)
To: 2banana
Sounds like a good way of takin’ care of business.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:34:15 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
“According to the chronicler Jean Froissart...”
Sounds like this guy would be at home on CNN.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:35:05 PM PDT
by
Twotone
(While one may vote oneself into socialism one has to shoot oneself out of it.)
To: mass55th
That is a pretty impressive lineage you have there.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:35:31 PM PDT
by
Saint Athanasius
("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan)
To: SunkenCiv
I've got a copy of Froissart's
Chronicles and a couple of old chronicles of some of the Crusades. It's incredible to read first hand (sort of) of the goings on at those times.
I have read Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror many times and highly recommend it. Brings the 100 Years War to life.
To: SunkenCiv
So let me see.
Is this article about Edward the III, Shakespeare’s ultimate murdering bad guy?
And from whence did Edward the Longshanks appear? - (Edward the ____) - another Edwardian bad guy.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:41:24 PM PDT
by
Jim W N
(MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
To: SunkenCiv
Another example of what AG Barr recently said, that history is written by the victors. In this case by Froissart.
To: Saint Athanasius
"That is a pretty impressive lineage you have there."
Yeah, if it's actually true, but you have to take the hints you get on Ancestry.com. They use other people's trees to share those hints with you, and they're not 100% accurate. One thing going for me is that my DNA shows 59% England, Wales, and Northwestern Europe. There's a lot of Dutch in there. My Dad was born in Holland in 1904, but there's Dutch, and quite a bit of Germanic Empire in there too, on my mother's side. She was born in Canada. Nobody knew about the Dutch or German on her side, nor the small amounts pf Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, and Norway mixed in.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:53:21 PM PDT
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mass55th
("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
To: robowombat
"Froissart as with almost all historians of his time couldn't count or more precisely liked to jazz up his text with grossly inflated numbers of dead."
So he was a Democrat.
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posted on
05/14/2020 12:54:56 PM PDT
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mass55th
("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
To: mass55th
I meant to say you have to take the Ancestry.com hints with a grain of sand. Never finished the sentence properly.
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posted on
05/14/2020 1:04:01 PM PDT
by
mass55th
("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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posted on
05/14/2020 1:05:31 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: robowombat; Twotone; RoosterRedux; colorado tanker; mass55th
Froissart was a liar and perhaps a state propagandist.
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posted on
05/14/2020 1:08:16 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
Apparently his wife really was a babe. A blond called the ‘Fair Maid of Kent’ and even if the marriage was arranged it turned into a real hot love match.
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posted on
05/14/2020 1:10:17 PM PDT
by
robowombat
(Orthodox)
To: robowombat
Joan, Countess of Kent, known to history as The Fair Maid of Kent, was the mother of King Richard II of England, her son by her third husband Edward the Black Prince, son and heir apparent of King Edward III.
(from the wiki-wacky) It's good to be, King, it's also not bad to be Prince. :^)
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posted on
05/14/2020 1:36:59 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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05/14/2020 1:41:19 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: robowombat
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05/14/2020 1:43:44 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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