Posted on 01/13/2021 11:39:10 AM PST by ebb tide
How do you explain the fact that the death numbers for all major causes are at or slightly higher than normal?
And the fact that the overall total deaths for 2020 are 14% higher than normal?
How do define define "more immoral"?
Is that like "partially pregnant"?
That's not true.
When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines, at least five candidates undergoing clinical trials use fetal-derived cell lines: from China's CanSino Biologics, the University of Oxford partnered with AstraZeneca, Janssen (a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson), the University of Pittsburgh and California-based ImmunityBio.
Fact check: COVID-19 vaccine 'morally acceptable,' Vatican says, but some claims missing context
You’re asking the wrong person. That was quoted from the post I was replying to. Hence the italics and the double quotes.
"The University of Pittsburgh uses the HEK-293 cell line to construct the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to stimulate an immune response once injected."
And later:
"use aborted fetal cells during research and development"
No vaccine doses ever contain fetal stem cells. There would be no purpose to that.
Yes, some of them do.
Please link to the FDA published ingredients list for ANY vaccine which shows it contains fetal stem cells. I’ll wait.
The FDA doesn’t give that information.
But it’s available from outside sources.
Go fish.
MORE false information from you.
Here’s the ingredients list from the FDA for the Pfizer vaccine: https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
Here’s the ingredients list from the FDA for the Moderna vaccine: https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download
FDA gives you a full list of ingredients for every vaccine in their fact sheets. Now that you know that, let’s see the proof. Let’s see a list of ingredients for ANY vaccine that lists fetal stem cells.
Time to pay the piper with these baseless claims. Put up the evidence or admit you made it up.
When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines, at least five candidates undergoing clinical trials use fetal-derived cell lines: from China's CanSino Biologics, the University of Oxford partnered with AstraZeneca, Janssen (a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson), the University of Pittsburgh and California-based ImmunityBio.
Stop misrepresenting me.
In post 90 you said "Both the Johnson & Johnson and Oxford vaccines contain fetal stem cells." I responded in post 95 that "They don't contain fetal stem cells in the doses themselves, but they absolutely did use fetal stem cells as part of their development process (typically culturing virus samples or testing particular components)." In post 104 you claimed that they DO contain fetal stem cells in the doses themselves. You made that same claim again in post 107. So in post 108 I said "Please link to the FDA published ingredients list for ANY vaccine which shows it contains fetal stem cells." You claimed in post 109 that the FDA doesn't provide a list of ingredients for vaccines. In post 110 I posted links to the FDA listing ingredients for not one - but two - different vaccines. Because the FDA DOES give you the ingredients list for vaccines.
So we're right back at you making a claim that the vaccines contain fetal stem cells and me asking you to prove it with a link to the FDA ingredients list for ANY vaccine that lists fetal stem cells. ANY. You say some have it. So prove it. You're making the claim. The burden of proof is on you.
You're confusing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines with the Johnson & Johnson and Oxford vaccines.
Two types of beasts, all tainted with the murder of a child.
I’m not confusing anything. I’m asking you to back up your claim. You claim that the Oxford and the J&J vaccines have fetal stem cells in the doses that get injected into people. I’m asking you for the ingredients list showing that.
You can’t produce it. You have no evidence to support this wild claim.
What you have is one line from an article that you didn’t understand and assumed meant that. And after I’ve explained repeatedly how your own article says you’re wrong, you still don’t want to be wrong, so you still won’t cop to it.
So either supply evidence to support your wild claim or retract your wild claim.
I’ve already provided it.
You have chosen to ignore it.
Go ahead and vax up, I’m not stopping you.
And nobody’s going to force me to receive it.
I’m waiting for the morally ethical vaccines currently in development.
You’ve provided no FDA links for ingredients lists for any vaccines containing fetal stem cells.
I fully support your right to make your own choices about which vaccines you want to get; if any. Don’t want a particular vaccine? Don’t get it. Don’t want any of them? Totally fine. I’ll never argue against your right to make your own decisions about what’s best for your own health and safety.
However, when you make false claims in an attempt to dissuade others from making the choice they want to make, I take issue with that. Just as you have every right to make your choices, so does everyone else. And to do so, they have a right to accurate information about their options.
Johnson & Johnson and Oxford’s COVID-19 vaccine candidates utilized fetal stem cells during their research and development. Many of the ~200 different vaccine candidates also did so. Moderna and Pfizer did not. And NO vaccines anywhere have fetal stem cells in the dose that gets injected into people or inhaled by people. They would serve no purpose. They would have no function. There would be no reason to have them in there. Fetal stem cells are used in the R&D because they’re the quick and easy way to do testing and culture pathogen samples. They have NOTHING to do with manufacturing of a product.
I agree with you that they should never be used at any stage of the process. There are alternative means to do all the R&D necessary through ethical means. It may be more complex to do so and it may take a little longer to do so, but it’s worth it to escape the moral and ethical issues of using fetal stem cells. I’m on board with banning their use entirely.
But we need to tell the truth about when and how they’re used.
"Totally fine"?
Who knows with Biden as president? I may not be able to get on a plane or hold a job unless I succumb to the Great Reset.
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