27-year-old mother suffers seizures, is hospitalized after taking COVID vaccine

LifeSite News ^ | January 13, 2021 | Patrick Delaney

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Hek293

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[2aProtectsTheRest]

I honestly have no idea without more context around the statement. I could speculate that some of the lipid shells encapsulating the mRNA merged with each other. I would expect that COULD diminish the effectiveness of the dose with that issue should it happen. I could further speculate that this might be a result of storing the particular dose at too high a temperature for too long.

But without a lot more context, I’m completely speculating.

[gas_dr]

There you go again letting the facts get in the way of a goo narrative! /S

[Carriage Hill]

Dear God...

[gas_dr]

You wuss. You can’t even address me. Thats fine. All demos there is not a 99.99+ survival rate. And in case you are incapable of math which it appears that is the case with you...95% survival means 19/20 survival. Which means 1/20 rate of death. Which is exactly what I said.

It is quite humorous when your stats confirm mine. But I have been correct all along.

What a maroon.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

It means they’re either ignorant of how these vaccines were developed or are intentionally trying to mislead you.

Some vaccines use fetal stem cell lines that are derived from cells taken after abortions in the 1970s to do research and testing. They’re generally used for culturing (producing additional copies of a virus) and testing various components of a new vaccine. The mRNA vaccines don’t require any of this. They’re just a strip of mRNA encased in a lipid shell. There’s nothing to grow anymore.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are listed by the Charlotte Lazier Institute (pro-life group based in Virginia) as “ethically uncontroversial”: https://s27589.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/An-Ethics-Assessment-of-COVID-19-Vaccine-Programs_On-Point-46.pdf. Further, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops released a memorandum specifically stating that “Neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccine involved the use of cell lines that originated in fetal tissue taken from the body of an aborted baby at any level of design, development, or production.” (https://www.usccb.org/resources/memo-to-bishops-on-vaccines-for-covid-19.pdf)

There is a caveat to that which is that a subcontractor for both Pfizer and Moderna did use fetal stem cells AFTER the vaccines were produced in order to do independent testing to confirm the results those companies had already produced. However, that USCCB memo goes on to state that “Some are asserting that if a vaccine is connected in any way with tainted cell lines then it is immoral to be vaccinated with them. This is an inaccurate portrayal ofCatholic moral teaching.”

[2aProtectsTheRest]

One shot provides ~45% immunity after ~8 days. 2 shots provide 95% immunity.

Based on previous work with MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-1, this immunity is likely to last 2-3 years.

[RummyChick]

I expected as much. the email... which I later posted doesn’t go into detail on that particular point

[Carriage Hill]

So you’re saying the article is BS?

[Secret Agent Man]

so many of you have lied i am tired of talking to you

[Secret Agent Man]

you are a vain ass

i wasn’t even talking about you

get over yourself

[2aProtectsTheRest]

That particular claim certainly is. At least according to most pro-life organizations, the Catholic Church, and others.

There were no fetal stem cells used to develop or produce either of the mRNA vaccines on the market today. After production and testing were completed by Pfizer and Moderna, they’re required to have their work verified by an independent third party as part of the FDA’s review process for the Emergency Use Authorization. The third party chose to use fetal stem cells in their verification process.

What the Catholic Church and others have said is that this doesn’t taint the vaccines since they were completely produced end to end without the use of fetal stem cells. What the article does is throw a smear in there with zero explanation. Which I would assume is what prompted your question asking what that meant?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

I’m just supplying facts with links to the authoritative sources that verify they’re real. Up to you whether you want to do anything with that information, but I would appreciate if you could include me in any reply where you’re talking about me and what I’ve posted so I have an opportunity to respond to what’s being said about me.

It’s the polite thing to do, even if we don’t agree with one another.

[Carriage Hill]

Yes, it did.
Thank you for your courtesy of reply and clarity of explanation.

[Carriage Hill]

Welcome to FR.

[steve86]

The antecedent technologies used to produce the vaccines, without which their development would have been impossible, were developed using fetal cell lines.

The “Catholic Church”, of which I am a traditionalist member, has been issuing liberal and leftist oriented advice on various matters for some years. I feel sorry for contemporary Catholics who assume they are getting genuine Catholic advice from the Vatican. They aren’t.

[Irish Eyes]

Not a guinea pig — the vaccines went through all trials that every other therapeutic goes through. For someone so pious, I rather would think that you valued honesty. But I guess you do not.

What preservatives are they using in these vaccines ?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"The antecedent technologies used to produce the vaccines, without which their development would have been impossible, were developed using fetal cell lines."

Which antecedent technologies are you referring to specifically, which were instrumental in the development of the mRNA platform and which relied necessarily on fetal stem cell use?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

I'll do what one better; here's a complete list of the ingredients of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine:

"WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl) bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose" - Source

And here is Moderna:

"WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE?The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine contains the following ingredients: messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids ( SM-102, polyethylene glyc ol [ P EG] 2000 dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSP C]), tromethamine, tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate, and sucrose." - Source

Not a lot in there. mRNA with a lipid shell and some stabilizers to keep the lipid shell intact long enough for the vaccine to do its job. Not much else going on.