History Channel "Proves" Chinese Came To America Before Columbus

Youtube ^ | February 21, 2021 | History Channel

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[LadyDoc]

The local Indians in Washington state tell stories of Japanese fishermen who were blown east and landed in Oregon.

The stories inspired Ranold MacDonald to visit Japan when it was still illegal, and he is credited with teaching English to local interpreters who later negotiated with Americans who forced Japan to open their country to trade.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranald_MacDonald

But unless they find pre Columbian trade goods I would say that any Chinese who got to the Americas were victims of storms and winds.

Lots of stories about pre Colombian contacts out there.

[Yaelle]

Definitely the Asians beat the Europeans here. By sea or by land. Biologically obvious.

[ThanhPhero]

It is probably true. There are remnants of Chines ships in places like the Sacramento River. Many people “discovered” or even traveled back and forth to America from way BC to Columbus but he was the one who made it permanent. He publicized it. The Chinese in the 1420s probably came to both coasts, their maps show it, but the Emperor in a new Dynasty Emperor shut down foreign contact when the ships returned. burned the ships of Zheng He’s fleet and closed the borders. The Discovery accomplished nothing for the then future except for maps, copies of which Columbus may well have seen.

[gleeaikin]

I think it is more likely that the lost armies of the Cartheginians fled to America after things went bad with the Romans. They may have traded there for centuries. Negro mercenaries were used by various Mediterranean civilizations. I would not be surprised if the Olmec heads were developed by negro soldiers who decided to stay and rule. I studied History and Appreciation of Art at university, and studied and traveled 2 summers in Mexico. A decade later I was at the Epcot Center in Orlando and saw an exhibit of Mexican pottery artifacts. I swear that one ancient cup had what appeared to be a Japanese style human figure on it.

[TaMoDee]

Read two books by Gavin Menzies ———
Titles: “1421” and “1434”.

[mbrfl]

I definitely agree that there were many pre-Columbian migrations to America spanning thousands of years and likely emanating from places as far flung as Asia, Polynesia, Australia, Europe and possibly North Africa. It’s a fascinating subject that archeologists are only beginning to understand. But the particular migration being discussed in this program is suspect IMO. Even Chinese scholars have questioned the authenticity of the maps that are cited to make the case.

Those who say, “What difference does it make? The largest pre-Columbian migrations clearly came from Asia” miss the point. Asia and China describe two separate things. When we’re talking China, we’re referring to not only an ethnic grouping but also a political entity. The Asians who came to America thousands of years ago may have been ancestors to modern Chinese, but they had no connection to the relatively new entity known as China. Attempts to specifically credit Chinese civilization with extensive pre-Columbian exploration of America likely have a political agenda, so any evidence proffered to make the case should be looked at very carefully and with some skepticism.

[lizma2]

Read years ago that the only wheel found in pre-European archeological digs was in Mexico and it was a small child’s toy cart. At the time they thought it was from China.

Was listening to an Andrew Klavan podcast yesterday. He had guest on that said the Inquisition really got crazy after the printing press became common. He compared it to today’s high tech spreading of information and cancel culture.

[ThanhPhero]

1421- that’s the name of a book. Zheng He. China was China in 1421. it was not an immigration. It was exploration. The fleet probably did lease people in South America. The first Spanish explorers met a small population of people with silk garments and other apparently Chinese characteristics.

[ThanhPhero]

Done that.

[mbrfl]

“The first Spanish explorers met a small population of people with silk garments and other apparently Chinese characteristics.”

Can you point me to a source for this? I have been unable to find one. Thanks.

[SunkenCiv]

Be sure to visit the "America Unearthed" and/or "Scott Walter" keywords, and/or "Ancient Navigation" among others.

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