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At the Bottom of Lake Huron, an Ancient Mystery Materializes
[Sometimes] Scientific American ^ | June 1, 2021 | Aaron Martin

Posted on 06/06/2021 8:29:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: crz

Better yet, There is an ancient native canoe trading route from the Lake Superior to Hudson bay in the summer. When the fur traders first started to use this the natives told them that it had been there forever and that they were not the first white people who had come there to use it. This would have absolutely been viable and available to the Vikings too.

I have personally followed this route using Google Earth to confirm.

http://frontierbushcraft.com/expeditions/missinaibi-river-canoe/


41 posted on 06/06/2021 10:14:08 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: gundog

I have a theory that there was a meteor strike of sufficient size to melt a huge amount of Ice over the Northern Hemisphere above the Canada border, forming a gigantic non-saline lake which eventually broke through an ice dam which held it back from flooding the area we call the great lakes. The flooding would have been unimaginable and froming things like he grand canyon. Then there is the world0wide flood of Noah’s epoch ...


42 posted on 06/06/2021 10:14:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: whitney69

Yeah, I read about Piltdown man a long time ago. I also heard about aliens, so...

‘Face

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43 posted on 06/06/2021 10:15:11 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Today, I release myself from previous versions of me that I created just to survive. ~~ Unknown ~~)
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To: Monkey Face

Always nice to see someone who does not cage themselves with predetermined narrow thought. :)


44 posted on 06/06/2021 10:25:33 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

They found a ship wreck in the med that had copper so pure that the only place that it could have come from is the Keweenaw area of the world. To this day, one can go rock out and find copper samples that are over 97% pure copper. Hell, you can go to any tourist trap and buy cooper rock samples for paper weights that have been cut in half.

The argument continues to this day? Who the hell was up there mining this stuff during the bronze age? They have indicated over 5000 ancient mining sites along the shores of the Keweenaw and Isle Royal.

The point is..this so called “expert” claims the Vikings could not have traveled up there because there was no lakes. The SOB should be taken out and shot for pure ignorance. Those lakes formed and filled by abt 10000 BC. If they had not, then that float copper would NOT have been deposited by the glaciers by then for those ancient miners to collect around the bronze age.

I hate these attention whores!!!!


45 posted on 06/06/2021 10:25:48 AM PDT by crz
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To: MHGinTN
Such a flood washed much of eastern Washington down the Columbia River Gorge...helped to form it... and washed up into what would become the Willamette River Valley. They recently uncovered a good sized boulder from an excavation they were doing in Lake Oswego, near Portland.

https://www.tualatinhistory.org/innews/rhyolite

46 posted on 06/06/2021 10:32:07 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: crz

Absolutely. And I am familiar with that wreck, possible Minoan or phonetician who may have traded with the Viking at the time. When if first came out they were absolutely sure of the source being the Great Lakes.

But of course that was not going to fly, too many experts still alive to allow that possibility because that would not fit the narrative they set in stone. So they have since made every effort to debunk that in mass.

No way can we change history as we know it... So then why try to even look or study history? Is this NOT the whole objective? Just shut it all down then, set it in stone and be locked in with only what we know now up to this point and save a lot of time, trouble, and money. lol


47 posted on 06/06/2021 10:43:25 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

My theory is that they may have built their larger shipping vessels on site while they dug. Then sailed them down the waterway to the mouth of the St Lawrence and reloaded them onto bigger vessels to ship over the Atlantic.

That is why we find no remains of any of those vessels in the great lakes.

If my theory is correct, then remains might be found someday at/around the mouth of the St Lawrence. If they survived at all. The major problem is that they had to go around Niagara Falls. The remains might be found around there.


48 posted on 06/06/2021 10:54:09 AM PDT by crz
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To: Monkey Face

My pleasure!


49 posted on 06/06/2021 11:06:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If a-holes could fly, this place would be an airport.)
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To: crz

Absolutely, Aside from the northern access, that was my thought too when I heard that idiot make that comment. Portage around the falls not possible? Of course it was, and they were master boat builders using only axes. Back to the idiotic assumption that Vikings only had sea legs and never ever could have walked across even the smallest stretch of land between waters.

That is just like the one size fits all assumption that all early man were all hydrophobic land lubbers and didn’t know how to swim or float on water craft at all. So the only way they could have possibly migrated was by land only. That is until irrefutable evidence was found to the contrary. They still now lock out the possibility of this.


50 posted on 06/06/2021 11:10:19 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

That’s what FR is all about, though we do have a few hard-heads here.

‘Face

;o]


51 posted on 06/06/2021 11:11:53 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Today, I release myself from previous versions of me that I created just to survive. ~~ Unknown ~~)
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To: crz

There’s been a sudden uptick of interest because Gestapo Gretchen and her stooges want the pipeline work stopped.

https://www.mackinacproperties.com/cave-discovered-near-ancient-waterfall-at-straits

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/14/straits-mackinac-ice-age-culture-native-american-tribes/5978992002/


52 posted on 06/06/2021 11:16:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
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53 posted on 06/06/2021 11:22:35 AM PDT by wardaddy (Feel my warmth)
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To: Monkey Face

I should clarify though, I made my statement not at the members here as much as I was the whole history industry. It is a global effort in all disciplines of history to filter anything that is not “in the box”. As a historian it is a huge pet peeve.

“Wait, To make metal is absolutely impossible so do not even try”.

Well someone thought outside the box and changed that whole concept didn’t they? Locking in and putting up a firewall to new theories is the main thing holding back human discovery. It is all about them not wanting competition of their funding, their writings and their lectures, not about advancing discovery and possibilities.


54 posted on 06/06/2021 11:25:03 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

I agree, 100%.

‘Face

;o]


55 posted on 06/06/2021 11:49:11 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Today, I release myself from previous versions of me that I created just to survive. ~~ Unknown ~~)
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To: Monkey Face

:)


56 posted on 06/06/2021 11:55:54 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

I would bet the dumb SOB has never heard of the Voyagers either.
Matter of fact, he would have concluded that they could have never came up the Great Lakes because there was no water in the puddle at the time.

There was a pioneer group that traveled up the waterways just prior to the voyagers. I cant remember the correct name for them. Them and the voyagers were kicked out by the trapping companies and hence, the French names from the lower Lake Huron all through the UP, WI and down the river systems to the Gulf in LA.
Just look at a map at the place names.

These self absorbed history “experts” need a slap right smack cross the chops for making ignorant remarks.


57 posted on 06/06/2021 12:06:43 PM PDT by crz
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To: Openurmind

“and they were master boat builders using only axes.”

All they needed for the trip up river is those tools to build boats/canoes, and their weapons. Canoes would have been easier and once there, they would have built the shipping vessels there, while all the mining tools would have been made on site. If they took canvas/material for sails, then the canvas could have been the coverings for the canoes. Of course oars would have been made on site.

The funny thing here is..they were but 40 to 50 miles from the largest deposit of iron ore in North America and did not know it. All they were after was the copper.


58 posted on 06/06/2021 12:14:13 PM PDT by crz
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To: SunkenCiv

While the headline is sensationalistic (they’ve known about long distance trade networks for decades) this is a cool find. Thanks for posting.
One of my favorite finds is a chert preform found on the shore of Lake Erie. It’s form was in use over ~7,000 ya. The Great Lakes have been inhabited for a long time.


59 posted on 06/06/2021 12:23:23 PM PDT by Varda
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To: SunkenCiv

While the headline is sensationalistic (they’ve known about long distance trade networks for decades) this is a cool find. Thanks for posting.
One of my favorite finds is a chert preform found on the shore of Lake Erie. It’s form was in use over ~7,000 ya. The Great Lakes have been inhabited for a long time.


60 posted on 06/06/2021 12:23:23 PM PDT by Varda
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