Posted on 01/07/2022 12:10:59 PM PST by Coronal
They would have followed him. They would have confronted him. And they would also have shot him. They probably would not have been nearly so reserved in shooting a white piece of sh*t as they were for Arbery.
If you think people don't hate white crooks, you are a fool.
Oh wait...
For our great Freeper legal minds, a question: Bryan, the driver of the second car, joined in the chase when he saw the others drive by. (Going off of memory here) So Bryan knew the others were former law enforcement and he assumed that the chase was legal. He joined in it, I think used his vehicle to box Arbery onto the road, and then we all know how it ended. I am trying to recall analogous facts that supported a felony murder conviction. In every felony murder case I can remember, the defendant knowingly joins in a committing a crime that he knew or should have known could end up in unlawful violence. Like agreeing to be the getaway driver or the lookout for a robbery. So I guess my question is over the level of intent that was required on Bryan’s part.
My second issue with this case is the apparent exclusion of lots of evidence that Arbery was not just a law-abiding “jogger”. It seems to me that if the defendants’ suspicion that Arbery was engaged in criminal conduct (and I do not think anyone doubts that was the defendants’ sincere belief), the fact that they were actually correct should matter, whereas the judge seems to have ruled that the only actual evidence available to them at the time was relevant.
Love how they show the “poor innocent victim” in the photo as if he was most distinguished, accomplished, honorable and law-abiding person in town. The media’s canonization of career Black criminals is nothing short of evil.
he was found guilty and is thus by definition now a murderer. In my opinion, they hunted that poor guy down and executed him and the jury obviously saw it the same way.
The guy who died would of been within his rights to shoot all the guys stalking him.
White thugs get slugs, too. But if Armed Robbery was White, these guys wouldn’t have gotten such prison sentences nor would we have heard much if anything from the media.
White cop would’ve been charged with murder one.
Remember, children, always shoot, shovel and for the love of God and all that is Holy DON’T video record it and post it on Facebook!!!!!
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Disagree. Cowards sit back and allow criminals to vandalize, steal and destroy. The cop did the same thing he had been doing for 30 years. He went after the suspect.
Armed confrontation over trespass on not-yours property is problematic.
Getting your @$$ beat to death by a powerful and dangerous suspect is also problematic. Add to that the concern that Arbery might be carrying the gun that was stolen out of your truck, and the idea of confronting him unarmed becomes a test of sanity.
Even were it his, the right to armed confrontation over trespass ends when the trespasser leaves the property.
How do you know it is only trespass? How would anyone in that situation know that was only trespass? I assume you are aware of the history of that neighborhood and the many sightings of this particular suspect? That the McMichaels were aware of him going into that house several times at night because the video of *THIS SAME GUY* going into that house in the middle of the night was sent to them?
Yes, Arbury got what was coming to him - as a matter of karma, not of McMichaels acting on his rights.
Arbery was a piece of sh*t that badly needed to be shot. The only tragedy of this entire affair is that these men happened to be near him when he decided to kill himself by rushing a man holding a shotgun.
I also assume you know Arbery was diagnosed as psychotic, that he was off his meds, and that he was high?
If he hadn’t been casing the neighborhood looking for his next score, he’d be alive and well. Same for Saint George of Fentanyl, Saint Gentle Giant of Ferguson and Saint Skittles. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>>> My second issue with this case is the apparent exclusion of lots of evidence that Arbery was not just a law-abiding “jogger”. <<<
That’s because Arbery was not on trial. He was dead. What was in question were the actions of the accused.
Seriously, they may have started out with good intentions but all they had to do was follow Arbery, call 911, and let the dispatcher know where Arbery was.
Instead they pursued Arbery and attempted to do something that was definitely not self defense or protection of property given that Arbery was no longer present at any place needing protection. I can appreciate their feelings in the moment but that does not excuse them from starting a chain of events that led to a needless death.
That said, I think the charges and sentences will be reduced on appeal. Manslaughter or negligent homicide were more appropriate charges here.
So were witches in Salem. Sometimes a "verdict" only proves that a lot of fools sit on juries.
In my opinion, they hunted that poor guy down and executed him and the jury obviously saw it the same way.
Well that just makes you an idiot commensurate with those on the Jury.
The guy who died would of been within his rights to shoot all the guys stalking him.
He was a piece of sh*t. He deserved to be shot. The world is a better place because this piece of sh*t got shot.
He was not "stalked." (Your usage of these crap terms borders on prevarication.) He was cut off at the only exit to the neighborhood because the stupid piece of sh*t was not aware he was on a peninsula with one exit.
They waited there to keep him from leaving. He could have stayed away from them, but he chose to run up, punch a man in the face and then attempt to wrestle a shotgun away from him.
Arbery was diagnosed as violently psychotic. He was off his medication. He was high on drugs at the time, and he was a crook.
Now I wouldn't expect Texans to be cowards and sit around whining about some bad man in their neighborhood. I would expect Texans to get off their @$$ and confront someone who appears to be a habitual criminal in their neighborhood.
But I may be wrong about my impression of Texans.
sorry that we disagree on this. There is a world of difference in my opinion in someone getting hunted down by a bunch of rednecks and someone resisting the arrest of a police officer.
Given the Derekc Chauvin conviction because George Floyd killed himself with his own drug overdose, you are possibly right.
But a black cop would not have even been charged.
And is our justice system supposed to work like this? Seems broken to me.
And therefore the status of the deceased as a known criminal is important to understanding the mens rea of the accused.
I can appreciate their feelings in the moment but that does not excuse them from starting a chain of events that led to a needless death.
I think that if you asked any reasonable person if they could believe that a man would run up to you while you were holding a shotgun, punch you in the face and attempt to wrest the gun from your hands, the vast majority would say "no."
What Arbery did was unbelievable and unpredictable, and virtually no one would have expected anyone to behave so stupidly.
And now back seat drivers are saying they should have known this could have happened?
Because we all hate rednecks.
It is odd that the exact same behavior is perfectly acceptable for a police officer (which the elder McMichael was) but completely unforgivable for an ordinary citizen.
I thought our laws were supposed to apply to everyone equally? That we weren't supposed to have special classes of people?
So it is a crime if one person does it, but absolutely not a crime if another person does it.
Got it.
No wonder our legal system is such a godforsaken mess.
He only has himself to blame for his bad choices in life. He chose poorly. When judges and law enforcement don’t get thugs off the street and into penitentiaries where they belong, it forces citizens to step in. Calling these men “a bunch of rednecks” for defending their neighborhood against a career criminal is truly insulting.
The true institutional racism is that employed by the left against Whites today for daring to stand up for a civilized society against the threat of lawlessness encouraged and promoted in the Black community and by their White allies in “Antifa.”
Very broken.
There was another story in my area where a (White) mother called the cops on her psychotic son, expecting they’d somehow be able to contain or handle him. You can guess what they were forced to do. She then went whining to the media about what happened (which anyone with a brain could’ve figured out how it was going to end). Of course, because she and her son were the wrong color when it came to “police brutality” at the hands of a White cop, nobody got charged.
They had their opportunity in court to prove what you are saying and a jury disagreed.
They think Uncle Joe was a socialist and Hitler was a right-winger (or like to pretend that they think that).
Plus, who knows, maybe there’s some unconscious tribal knowledge getting passed down through history because Stalin was an ally (of convenience) and Hitler was an enemy in WWII, meaning the American attitude to the two would have been somewhat different at that time.
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