Posted on 02/13/2022 2:48:39 PM PST by ransomnote
I have never discounted that peoples concerns are not real. The concerns of liberty infringement, and overreach by Fauci and his minions are completely inappropriate and I speak against them everyday, both here and in my practice. I attempt to bring my over decade of doctoral and postdoctoral training and subsequent 20 or so years of practice to offer some insight that people may or may not have...
If you were terminated over disease of which you are now clearly immune, I would join you in your lawsuit, your fight, and your right to make a choice as it pertains to you. It is completely insane that without few exceptions someone who has had CoVID should have vaccinations. I have advised against vaccination for both friends and professionally if you have had the disease.
I am not laughing it up. I am deriding those who propose no rational discussion beyond name calling. I am so sorry you have to deal with the con game, and I support you and those in their fight against undue overreach. You know whats best for you, you can look at that data, and make a wise decision for yourself — better than anyone else can. This is my clearest and sincerest belief.
Come on, it wa a good barb at someone who enjoys throwing barbs at me. At least I should get a little credit for that...
Thanks for the very civil comment, but,
do you actually deny the ample evidence of deadly vaxx results?
(Yeah , I know, I know, not necessarily causation, but, com’ on man. worldwide soccer player just coincidentally dropping dead like flies on the field? Com’ o’ man !)
So I and others researched the prevalence of heart disease and sudden cardiac arrest in soccer players before and after the roll out of the vaccination — it is not statistically different.
Understanding athletic physiology and anatomy, there is an increased prevalence in connective tissue disorders in athletes.
Of course there are complications to the vaccination. Such is the nature of every vaccination. However, taken in the light of other vaccinations, I think the risk is about the same. However, knowing that the native disease tends to be prothrombic, it is not unrealistic that a complication of vaccination may be DVT / PE.
I genuinely believe that there is a risk benefit analysis in all therapeutics and vaccinations. It is how I practice medicine — evaluate the risk and benefit. Only if the benefits far outweigh the risks do I proceed with treatment. If the risks are equal to the benefits, I tend to err on the side of non-treatement.
That being said, I think we are so screwed up because of Fauci. Vaccination of adults with comorbities or advance age has an advantage. Vaccination of young adults to middle age who are healthy is an equal risk as benefit. Vaccinations of children and young adults is beyond reprehensible except in very rare cases.
We have to weigh some things with nuance, but this is not the stance of Fauci (the evil one) and as such, the government is applying the similar government one size fits all sledge hammer to the issue. This must be fought against, and I will continue to fight against it professionally and personally.
I hope you find this response reasonable.
Everyone is dealing with this insanity and overreach the best they can. Many are being mentally abused over all of this. Have an understanding of that part of the equation. The power and edicts behind the vax makes people want to find faults with them to justify their natural rights to say hell no. Unfortunately they are being boxed in, forced, coerced…. Instead of ridicule, maybe a sympathetic understanding that it’s not right. That they have a choice. For some the answer is to take the vax risk (my mom and dad for example). My 25 yo son should never have been given the choice of fired or the shot.
I plead with you and DD to change your mocking into understanding and love. I plead with others to understand that others vax decisions were theirs. Unfortunately 100% mandates make people desperate to justify going all in. If that’s what they need so be it. Not everything with these vax are on the up and up. Too many sudden deaths near term to them. I have seen one vid death and 2 vax deaths and one that could go either way.
Love your brothers. Turn the cheek, understand their pain. It is your professional training. Show love and get love in response. You don’t have to agree with everything. We both agree that something is seriously wrong. We can feel it. We sense it. The Holy Spirit says it in our hearts. If you are as smart as I think you are. Look for it. I challenge you to do what God made you for. Is there micro chips, graphene, impurities, nano particles in the vax - idk. Yes for some by admission others WTFK. If you have access to the vax and equipment, give a look. If you know an open minded pathologist ask. People are dying from the disease and people are dying from the vax. Time is the unknown parameter.
I’m not taking it. It doesn’t work, has risks, hasn’t passed testing I care about …. That is my choice. You chose your choice. Good deal. Neither is wrong until we know the truth but so many are invested in lies. I may have to put my large (overpaid) salary on the line. Same with my wife.
Good luck.
Yes I find your response reasonable, though, “not statistically different.” I don’t believe.
“...it is not unrealistic that a complication of vaccination may be DVT/PE.”
Well then why in the hell should one support universal vaccination?
Also, is the VAERS death data just false?
or is it just the price for the 99.9+% survivable scamdemic?
Do you not believe the VAERS death data ???
Your a anesthesiologist not a pathologist, virologists, or a general researcher. Why are you on a red / tiger team doing world wide analysis or statistical analysis of death rates in professions. That seems very odd.
I may have an issue with this.
I am a critical care physician, so please do understand that I am squarely on the playing field.
Why are Freepers so afraid of the truth about the Covid-19 jab coming out? I’m guaging this by the keywords on this post.
You know, my friend, fair enough. I have answered all to human when being accused of being Mengele, a murderer, a quack (SW favorite stalking term). Thank you for reminding me to not me so salty. I will attempt to live my faith accordingly, sometimes it is a little hard to do amidst the unwarranted animosity.
I think we agree that your 25 yo son was done an injustice — see my dialogue with A strike. I absolutely stand with you that you alone have the best determination as to if you should be vaccinated — and I will support you in every way possible. We agree on freedom. We agree on many things.
I will try my best to not be salty, but please give forbearance when I am insulted without cause. I will try to take the high road - and you have provided an excellent reminder of what it means to be truly faithful. All the best to you and your wife.
So you do global research and statistical analysis and pathologist determinations on sports players dying around the world. Amazing. You told me you were a anesthesiologist before.
VAERS is very difficult to ascertain what is going on. According the the VAERS database statement — it should not used as an objective tool for decision making because it is self reported. Do I think there is some nonsense being reported? I do think there is. But I am also not blind to the actual results of the vaccination. I can tell you I have not seen a critically ill vaccination complication. I think there are a lot of minor to moderate complications that are being reported, but are self limited. I can attest to the fact that I have see an awful lot off long COVID symptoms, but not long vaccination injuries. I keep my eye out for it as I am always looking to refine my knowledge.
To be clear, I think there are risks to the vaccination. But I think there is a population where the benefit justify the risk. I do not think this is actually 99.9% survival, (until omicron emerged which I think is a pandemic ender. I point out that in the past there have been reasonable well forecasted next variants on the horizon — currently there are none) I think her his a far worse survival rate (98% or so). But, I think it is also preventable and the survival cohort is clearly, younger and healthier. So there is not a need to vaccinate the long and healthy. I believe that actually targeting the vulnerable is the best use of science, and makes the most sense.
This is something that is lost on the medical bureaucracy.
No, I am not a pathologist, but I do understand prevalence and disease process. It is easy to study and research publications on the number of deaths in athletes as it is compared to the general populace, and the kinds of deaths that occur. I do not think it is controversial to point out there is a higher prevalence of connective tissue disorders in athletes than in the general public, and this also leads to risk of death in those with the disease.
While I am a critical care anesthesiologist (critical care is a subspecialty of the American Board of Anesthesiology, and I am board certified in both anesthesia and critical care), this is more general medical education that we are discussing.
As an aside, I think the wokeness of my certifying board is disgusting and I am firmly against the progressive bulls*t the board is advancing. I am pretty sure that its job is to certify as expert those who qualify any training and examination — and not to engage in my favorite new term — diversity. I am sickened by what the ABMS boards are considering as important in the year 2022.
A former PFizer employee said that Pfizer didn’t list graphene oxide in the PEGYlated Lipids because it they claimed it was a “trade secret” in which case you don’t have to list it. Poison - a trade secret so it’s not on the label?
‘K, thx for that, but,
Regardless of your evaluation of VARES reporting/reports, even given 50% error, I can’t conceivably understand how you could discount what seems to be overwhelming evidence of mortality v. all other previous vaccines combined?
As to it being self reported, word is that that has led to VERY significant under reporting. It’s not as if families are being advised to do so, and in my opinion, there is strong pressure against it in the community.
Which can result in allergic reactions to medications when bought from one manufacturer but not another, which is the reason I learned this from him.
One should look at the government actions during the smallpox epidemic. They had anti-vaxxers during that epidemic. Many died from small pox. The government did not play around. They would take you and vaccinate you by force, spray down the inside of your house with disinfectant and force you into a quarantine. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of a vaccine mandate.
Re: 28 - you don’t disappoint. Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
Re: 52 - A reasonable comment. Don’t expect it to register with several posters on this thread that are pushing a narrative, and that use the deaths of people as props to further advance that narrative.
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