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NTSB: Teenage driver in deadly crash had cannabis in system [The driver and her five passengers were all killed.]
Associated Press ^

Posted on 05/07/2022 8:15:27 AM PDT by grundle

Edited on 05/07/2022 9:08:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: grundle

16, NOT fully licensed, 6 in a car for 4, seat belts optional, high? (at minimum a pot user), deathtrap car, being allowed (parents) to take $hitbox to school (maybe even bought her the car).....

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?


21 posted on 05/07/2022 8:40:37 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: PAR35
Straw man argument. I don't think anyone who supports legalization advocates teen use, or people of any age driving under the influence of cannabis (or alcohol).

Besides, smoking marijuana isn't necessarily how teens are consuming the drug these days. The THC content in the vaping concentrate versions is way off the charts and the effect far stronger than anything that can be derived directly from smoking the plant. It's like the difference between chewing coca leaves and snorting pure cocaine. This was an avoidable tragedy on many levels, including the drug and having six teens packed like sardines in a tiny s*** box automobile.

22 posted on 05/07/2022 8:41:35 AM PDT by katana
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To: grundle

I suspect four were in the back seat, which had two seatbelts, and couldn’t be worn.

Can you imagine the guilt if one of the girls had said no, the car is overloaded and not gone?


23 posted on 05/07/2022 8:41:53 AM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I see a lot of grown adults on their phones as well. They are normally driving way too slow and holding up traffic.


24 posted on 05/07/2022 8:42:10 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"loading six people in a tiny four-seater"


I am guilty of that... Loaded 10 people in a 4 seater (1979 Honda Civic 4door) when I was in HS... although, I was sober.
25 posted on 05/07/2022 8:43:07 AM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: moovova

“Or, she and her dopey friends left school at lunchtime to get high and were passing a joint as the driver was pulling out in front of the truck.”

This was the likely scenario to me.


26 posted on 05/07/2022 8:43:21 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: grundle

You can pop positive for weed for numerous weeks.
6 teenage girls sounds more like not paying attention to me.
Of course I’ll be Cheech or Chong here…

RIP to the young ladies.


27 posted on 05/07/2022 8:47:33 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: grundle

In vino veritas. I always believed that drugs/alcohol amplify a person’s true personality.

If he is gentle by nature, he will become more gentle and caring. If he is stubborn or angry by nature, he will become more hostile and aggressive. If he is pessimistic by nature, he will become despondent and possibly suicidal.


28 posted on 05/07/2022 8:48:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: grundle

She got five teenagers in a Chevy Spark?


29 posted on 05/07/2022 8:48:23 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” -The Taliban / “Thanks Joe!” -Putin)
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To: grundle

Let’s see . . . smoking cigarettes is downright evil, and smoking menthol cigarettes is even eviler . . . but smoking pot is just ducky!


30 posted on 05/07/2022 8:49:08 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: grundle
In Massachusetts (the “Gay State”) the legislature has just passed a bill allowing wetbacks to get a divers license. It's said that the RINO Governor might veto it but the vote was enough to override a veto. So now we'll have even more drunken,uninsured drivers on the roads.
31 posted on 05/07/2022 8:49:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: moovova

Sure, anything is possible.She could have been high as a kite. The point I was making is did the pot contribute to the accident or was it a passive coincidence. Now if they said they found pot in the car, that might make it more convincing that it was a contributing factor.


32 posted on 05/07/2022 8:50:09 AM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: grundle

Chevy Spark

Barely fit to be a roller skate (but NOT saying it's Chevy's fault).

RIP, poor children.

33 posted on 05/07/2022 8:50:37 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: newzjunkey

I know!


34 posted on 05/07/2022 8:51:05 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: alternatives?

Feel guilt for what?

Refusing to be a flaming idiot?


35 posted on 05/07/2022 8:51:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: HollyB

A while back Southbound on I 81 in PA I’m between 5 and 10 over the limit in the right lane. Compact car comes up to overtake me rather quickly. A glance into the low vehicle as she passed me shows a teenage girl sitting cross legged looking down at a phone held in both hands...texting.


36 posted on 05/07/2022 8:56:37 AM PDT by Roccus (First we beat the Nazis........Then we defeated the Soviets....... Now, we are them)
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To: rarestia

I agree. But in this case, it is relevant if the *other* passengers had it in their blood as well. If several of the others had it, it increases the odds of their have recently consumed it, and thus impairment.


37 posted on 05/07/2022 8:57:02 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil", from "Malleus Maleficarum" (1486))
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To: Roccus

Oh, I forgot to say, she was alone behind the wheel.


38 posted on 05/07/2022 8:59:07 AM PDT by Roccus (First we beat the Nazis........Then we defeated the Soviets....... Now, we are them)
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To: grundle
Just as smart/responsible people don’t drive when they’re impaired by alcohol, smart/responsible people don’t drive when they’re impaired by marijuana. It isn’t all that complicated.

I would also point out that driving while extremely short on sleep, is every bit as dangerous as driving drunk (thank you, Mythbusters). I would further point out that drunk people are far more aggressive and out of control than any stoned person I’ve ever seen. I have witnessed, firsthand, two different people break their hands punching a wall when they were drunk. I have witnessed, firsthand, people destroying their own property (TVs, fragile items, etc.) when they were drunk. I have witnessed, firsthand, drunk people get into brawls over nothing. I have been around lots of people, drunk, and lots of people high, and I have NEVER seen someone who was high on marijuana do any of the things I’ve seen drunk people do.

I am not defending driving while high, but you’re never going to convince me that marijuana is worse than alcohol, or that marijuana is a “gateway” drug to harder stuff. I have had almost 40 years of seeing the effects of both on people, and there is absolutely no question that alcohol is far more dangerous. I also do not know anyone personally, who went from marijuana to harder drugs like meth, heroin, etc. Is that the progression for some people? Of course, but as others have noted, there’s no such thing as a “gateway” drug. If you have a certain mindset, a certain personality, a certain pre-disposition, then ANYTHING is a “gateway“ drug. Nicotine->alcohol->marijuana (or maybe meth, opioids, whatever). The substance isn’t the issue, the person is. This is no different than the gun control argument: you try to deny EVERYONE a gun, because SOME people are lunatics or imbeciles.

Now, before the puritans around here get their panties in a wad, I am not saying that use of marijuana is without consequences. What I am saying is that, if you’re going to crusade against marijuana, you might as well put on your “I’m with Carrie Nation” t-shirt, and go after alcohol as well.

39 posted on 05/07/2022 8:59:46 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: eastforker
Just because it was in her system does not mean she was impaired. She could have smoked a week earlier and it would have still showed up in her system.

Some of us who deal with these things in a professional capacity have used this inconvenient fact to support our efforts against legalization of marijuana. It makes no sense to legislate against impaired driving while at the same time legalizing formerly illegal substances that can't be accurately tested for impairment.

40 posted on 05/07/2022 9:05:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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