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The US Spends $200 Billion Each Year on Cancer Care – We Might Not Be Getting Our Money's Worth
SciTechDaily.com ^ | 18 July 2022 | Yale University

Posted on 07/19/2022 6:00:09 AM PDT by zeestephen

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To: cgbg

Nope, “they” don’t want cancer cured. There was a doctor a few years ago who had a treatment that was very successful in curing hopelessly terminal cancer patients. Our wonderful government shut him down and took him to court. Not sure what happened to the guy.


21 posted on 07/19/2022 7:05:42 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: DoodleDawg
I don't understand the point you are making.

Every step of the process is for profit.

That's capitalism at its finest.

I hope you are not advocating "government medicine".

Here's some examples of "government medicine" at its finest:

hip replacements in Canada

According to the article above, the wait time for hip replacements in Canada is "12 to 18 months".

Wait times for bypass surgery

According to the link above wait time for bypass surgery in the UK is about 2 months.

22 posted on 07/19/2022 7:11:27 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot
That's capitalism at its finest

It is. But it also adds costs at every step of the process.

I hope you are not advocating "government medicine".

No.

The topic was why the U.S. spends a lot more in medical costs for the same results. The answer is not a condemnation of the for profit medical industry or a promotion for government run medicine. It's just a simple statement of fact.

23 posted on 07/19/2022 7:16:40 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: zeestephen

I believe that if there were a comlete CURE for every type of cancer known today, the American Cancer Society would do their best to cover it up, hide it, do anything they could to keep it off the market because it would upset their continual gravy train.


24 posted on 07/19/2022 7:18:41 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: zeestephen

Remember Ivermectin and how they laughed themselves silly over that horse medicine? Well, there is a similar cure for cancer, but shush, don’t tell anyone.

https://www.laurasmercantile.com/is-joe-tippens-still-cancer-free-update-2022/

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fenbendazole&crid=1AXC79TA46WMW&sprefix=fence%2Caps%2C442&ref=nb_sb_ss_mission-aware-v1_1_5


25 posted on 07/19/2022 7:29:50 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: DoodleDawg
It's just a simple statement of fact.

That's what I figured...thanks for the clarification.

26 posted on 07/19/2022 7:43:05 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: zeestephen

Ungrateful people can’t see the forest for the tress.

The improvement in cancer treatment over the decades has been tremendous.

Almost miraculous.

It’s mainly due to figuring out how to most effectively use chemotherapy drugs, which has been empirically based and incremental.

It’s still a hard disease to overcome.


27 posted on 07/19/2022 8:11:42 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Gaffer

No. They would make a lot of money selling the cure. And administering it. And following up. And manufacturing it. And testing for cancer. Etc.

To imagine they want you dead from cancer because that pays them is nonsensical. They get nothing if you are dead. One might more reasonably accuse the funeral industry of hiding cancer cures. They are the ones who actually profit when we die.

Furthermore if there were hidden cancer cures, the bigwigs n the inseam industry and medicine should use them and never die of cancer. Similar for their beloved ones.

How many times has it been stated that whoever finds a cure for the common cold will reap the biggest payoff of all time? Same with cancer cures.

Common sense seems to be in short supply on this thread.


28 posted on 07/19/2022 8:12:50 AM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: zeestephen

Cancer and heart disease are the AMA’s two biggest cash cows. They will never give them up.


29 posted on 07/19/2022 8:13:33 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: babygene

If maximizing your chances of staying out of the clutches of Big Med isn’t the best reason for Americans to eat right and exercise, I cannot for the life of me think of a better one.


30 posted on 07/19/2022 8:14:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: Persevero

YOUR ‘common sense’ tells you they would work to deliver, administer and monitor such a cure. I say that’s Pollyanna balderdash. If anything they’d keep on trying to push their other respective specific-cancer cures and inflated, hopeful success rates because THAT’S where the donation money is.

To berate me because I think otherwise is pathetic. Go push that do-gooder attitude somewhere else where you can find your like-minded ilk that believes in the same thing, thank you


31 posted on 07/19/2022 8:19:14 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: Gaffer

Or else they would shift to other diseases. The March of Dimes didn’t go away with the polio vaccine.


32 posted on 07/19/2022 8:25:11 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil...-Churchill)
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To: zeestephen

Follow the money.


33 posted on 07/19/2022 8:29:05 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Vermont Lt

Don’t smoke, drink alcohol, get off the couch, and lose weight. It’s not the cure all since some cancer genes are programmed in your DNA.


34 posted on 07/19/2022 8:30:31 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: KarlInOhio

I suppose they could, but there’s already PLENTY of donation-seeker organizations to deal with.

We’re talking donations here. ACS as well as others have staked out their areas.....lungs, breasts (don’t even get me started on SGK Foundation for.....), kidneys and so on - and there are a plethora of donation seekers and big-business entities in each.

It’s all driven by donations and money. Anyone can be as altruistic as they want but it all boils down to that.


35 posted on 07/19/2022 8:32:11 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: zeestephen; All
Regarding cancer care, the states are possibly getting ripped off by the post-17th Amendment ratification, unconstitutionally big federal government imo.

More specifically, given that the states have never expressly constitutionally authorized the federal government to tax and spend in the name of cancer care, the states uniquely having the 10th Amendment-protected power to tax and spend for such a purpose imo, do the feds at least have the constitutionally required receipts to prove that this money is reasonably being spent for that purpose?

The Congressional Budget Office needs to be required by law to publicly announce, within a timeframe defined by law, when an appropriations bill includes spending for things that cannot be reasonably justified under Congress's Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

"In every event, I would rather construe so narrowly as to oblige the nation to amend, and thus declare what powers they would agree to yield, than too broadly, and indeed, so broadly as to enable the executive and the Senate to do things which the Constitution forbids." —Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793.

Insights welcome.

Also, Trump's red tsunami of patriot supporters are reminded that they must vote twice this election year. Your first vote is to primary career RINO incumbents in federal and state governments. Your second vote is to replace outgoing Democrats and RINOs with Trump-endorsed patriot candidates.

Again, insights welcome.

36 posted on 07/19/2022 8:36:21 AM PDT by Amendment10 ( )
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To: zeestephen

There need to be progress payments. Anything less is simply padding salaries.


37 posted on 07/19/2022 9:00:26 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Gaffer

Who’s berating? I am disagreeing. Pointing out some obvious profit motives for healing you.

The person or company who discovers a cure for cancer is going to be the richest person on the planet.

Are big pharma execs and doctors and researchers and government officials and their families all done dying from cancer? No? Then they don’t have a cure for it.


38 posted on 07/19/2022 9:34:06 AM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Persevero

ACS won’t deliver “the cure.” They might try to claim they did IF one escaped from control, but it won’t be them.

There are far too many ‘charities’ whose primary functions are fund donation and solicitations with a lot of funds collected going towards marketing for donations AND exorbitant salaries and perks. I submit SGK for one.....


39 posted on 07/19/2022 9:38:15 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: Gaffer

They will deliver the care if they are paid to deliver the care. There is fantastic money in delivering care.

As for the “charities,” if there is a cure, there is no profit for them. They are mostly not true charities imo. They mostly seem to exist to find themselves.

If they were true charities they could pay for testing, treatment, help with needs when you can’t work, monitoring, education…but they mostly aren’t true Lu charitable.


40 posted on 07/19/2022 9:50:47 AM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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