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Pro poker player is accused of using 'hidden vibrating device' to help her win $130,000 hand: Gives money back to her opponent - but claims she was forced to hand it over 'in a dark hallway'
UK Daily Mail ^ | 10/1/2022 | James Gordon

Posted on 10/01/2022 7:35:07 PM PDT by simpson96

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To: simpson96
At the "professional" level, card game gambling is barely even enjoyable, it's all about mentally going through a table of probable outcomes, deciding if you believe the other players have one of those probable outcomes, or if you can squint your eyes just slightly, so they believe you have one of those probable outcomes, and then chiseling around the edges to size the other guys up. Very rarely do they make a real bluff because they're convinced the other players would know.

An amateur can throw all of that for a loop. Granted, 99.9% of the time they will lose because they lose patience and don't bet strategically (betting strategically at the top levels is boring and tedious and rarely makes it onto TV), but every now and again someone can be patient, play professionally enough to get deep in the game, and then make an illogical bluff, or get lucky on one of those very rare odds, and blow a pro out of the water. And the pros rage at the audacity of those amateurs for daring to try.

Sometimes newcomers make pros look like fools, it's not always the remote control butt plug.

21 posted on 10/01/2022 8:43:43 PM PDT by jz638
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To: jz638

I was playing a Texas hold ‘em free roll one night. I won a big hand, and the guy next to me got pissed. I did not do the thing a pro would do (and he expected me to do). It was years ago, and I am sorry I can’t remember the details.


22 posted on 10/01/2022 9:47:38 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (The South will be in the right in the next war of Northern aggression.)
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To: simpson96

sounds like theft to me.


23 posted on 10/01/2022 9:54:33 PM PDT by PCPOET7 (`)
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To: ConservaTexan

Her pair beats his straight

Every day of the week.


24 posted on 10/01/2022 10:10:28 PM PDT by drSteve78 (Je suis Deplorable STILL)
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To: simpson96

They’re going to have start staging chess and poker games inside shielded SCIFs (we called them dark cells). All the players will have to undergo body cavity searches and bug scans for devices implanted under the skin, and play in the nude.


25 posted on 10/01/2022 11:13:59 PM PDT by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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To: drSteve78

She must have had a “strong hand” aka “The Lewinsky Hand”.


26 posted on 10/01/2022 11:31:11 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: MikeSteelBe
I did not do the thing a pro would do (and he expected me to do). It was years ago, and I am sorry I can’t remember the details.

This is a story every guy who decides he wants to try out the blackjack tables with nothing more than a spring in his step and a few dollars in his pocket. The "pro" gamblers demand their space and that you adhere to their system. Some of them are a little polite, but depending upon territory, they'll start acting like little tyrants.

Texas Hold-'em poker on cable television brought it to a new level though.

27 posted on 10/02/2022 12:13:57 AM PDT by jz638
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To: simpson96
I'm really puzzled here. I mean, that's some advanced 3d chess that would have a ‘cheating device’ tell her to raise someone who's got a monster draw when she's got no connection to the flop or turn. So that part of it can be discounted immediately. Can I pretend I've got a connection? What's the least I can lose to find out...? And she did that raise.

Instant call by him would have ended the hand. Wasn't an instant call, it was replied to by 5x’ing the raise. If he had it, he probably would have wanted to entice another bet, so looking at the board, knowing you've got a jack, you know the worst is you're at a coin flip, and it's betting 100k into a pot that'll be worth 300k.

There was a lot of cash game money on that table, and I really hope they all paid close attention to Adelstein and the reaction after. Especially the back room ‘gimme back my money.’

28 posted on 10/02/2022 12:59:06 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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Pro poker player is accused of using 'hidden vibrating device' to help her


29 posted on 10/02/2022 3:29:22 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: simpson96

“You got to know when to hold ‘em,
Know when to fold ‘em,
Know when to walk away
And know when to run...”


30 posted on 10/02/2022 4:34:24 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (I'll be good, I will, I will!)
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To: simpson96

The tip-off was that she had an orgasm before each winning hand.


31 posted on 10/02/2022 4:35:34 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐Public hangings will wake 'em up.⭐⭐)
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To: jz638

Nothing worse than the first player at the blackjack tables drawing one too many cards.

I’ve learned to sit as far left as possible, because as a rank amateur just out for a lark I would surely incur the wrath of the big leaguers.


32 posted on 10/02/2022 4:45:22 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: simpson96

I do not understand the controversy.

The male player went all in with 8 high. He had possible flush and straight draws. But, just a 53% to 47% advantage, with one card still to play.

The woman decided he was bluffing, and she went all in with Jack high.

A high risk bet - absolutely. But, cheating? That is not a serious conclusion.


33 posted on 10/02/2022 4:57:21 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

“Hidden vibrating device” ... CHAEATING... did you miss that part?

Someone was watching his cards and knew her hand would beat his, and signaled her.


34 posted on 10/02/2022 5:01:47 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: simpson96
Can anybody explain to me what happened here? She out-bluffed a guy and the guy freaked out?
35 posted on 10/02/2022 5:17:50 AM PDT by Vision (Elections are one day. Reject "Chicago" vote harvesting. Election Reform Now. Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: Mr. K; All

Do you know how to play poker?

Her hand was jack high. She won with jack high.

Look at the odds. A coin flip even with her knowing her hand. They ran it twice.

If the coin flip went his way, would he have returned the money? No.

She didn’t cheat. She knew he was bluffing and decided to flip a coin. She won. Twice.

Guys are just mad a chick - a hot one at that - won. They want to think poker is a game of skill when even an idiot can play and get lucky.


36 posted on 10/02/2022 5:29:11 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: simpson96

So, this device she used vibrates to indicate you have best hand. Where the heck does that info come from? There has to be another party involved.


37 posted on 10/02/2022 5:46:32 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great minds drink alike...me and my baby havin' a hell of a night. - - BB King)
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To: Mr. K

The guy who lost went all in with 8 high.

He would never have bluffed like that unless someone signaled him that the woman only had Jack high.

The cheater lost. Sounds like a happy ending. Except, he physically intimidated the woman into giving his money back.


38 posted on 10/02/2022 5:49:27 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Mr. K
Someone was watching his cards and knew her hand would beat his, and signaled her.

Even if "someone" was watching his hand, how would they KNOW what the river card was going to be?

If a six or a jack came up, he would have had a straight.

If all of the cards had been turned up and he went all in, it was clearly a bluff, and he lost, tough.

39 posted on 10/02/2022 5:54:26 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: zeestephen

A gutsy hero call by Lew.

After the flop, she read him as having a straight flush draw. A good draw, but it’s still a draw. A jack high had a good chance to beat him, especially given the right pot odds to call.

That said, in today’s world, and in this particular game that was broadcast, if a collaborator of hers could watch the game and signal her in some wireless capacity, yeah, it could be cheating.

Seems like a fairly inexpensive prevention would be to have a signal jammer in place so that players could not receive a signal back from outside.


40 posted on 10/02/2022 6:25:21 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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