Fatal Bear Attack in Arizona Stopped with a Rifle

AmmoLand ^ | June 20, 2023 | Dean Weingarten

[silent majority rising]

I was thinking the same thing. I am sorry the man died a tragic and painful death, but how stupid can you be to sit there on the bear’s porch, sipping your latte without being armed? Perhaps some educational benefit will come of it.

[KobraKai]

It is human animals that encroach. Most all wild animals are scared and stay within their wilds and hide from us. Humans are tribal animals, our habitat is villages and towns and cities.

Ammoland and its readers tend to celebrate killing of animals and always treating it as self defense, which is a damn joke and you guys know it. It’s not self defense to travel to the arctic circle and shoot a polar bear. It’s not self defense to slaughter lions and giraffes and squat beside the head for a photo op.

A lot of gun owners just love to shoot animals, just own it. Don’t hide behind self defense.

[Bob434]

For gold? Did you find any?

[marktwain]

Some people just seem to hate themselves and humans in general.

Humans are the top predators, which is why most animals are afraid of us.

[Big Red Badger]

Justice

[Bob434]

I did a bunch of prospecting all around the north east (not a great place for gold, and nope, didnt find much, but a little- well under and ounce) and was usually miles back in the woods on a river or stream. Was always conscious of surroundings, but with th3 sound of the river, it was not hard for an animal, bear, couger, or rabid fox or coyote or whatever to creep up.

Closest I got to a bear when out prospecting was back near my car parked next to a hill. I had to relieve myself before I took off, and walked to the hill to do so. All of a sudden I heard some huffing, and teeth clacking from the other side of the hill- so I moved back to the car as quick as I could. Figured it was most likely a bear I had spooked.

[adorno]

You were doing good until you got to this:

A lot of gun owners just love to shoot animals, just own it. Don’t hide behind self defense.

Most gun owners, in fact, almost all of them, will not be hunting animals with their guns. Most own them for self-defense. It's not hiding behind self-defense, and most or almost all shootings occur as a matter of self-defense, except when they're used to commit crimes.

In the U.S., the right to bear arms did not arise from the need to defend oneself from a criminal or a hostile neighbor. The 2nd amendment arose from the need of the people to defend themselves from government gone corrupt and abusive. Self-defense is just a bonus benefit from that right to bear arms.

[Bob434]

[[. Humans are just as natural as all the other wild life out there; it’s just that, we have to be smarter than those that belong there too]]

Exactly! Good point. Not to mention that God created the world for mankind and animals, but have mankind authority over the animals, as man is higher than the animals.

[old curmudgeon]

It wuld be interestin to know whee you live.

[Socon-Econ]

It is human animals that encroach. Most all wild animals are scared and stay within their wilds and hide from us. Humans are tribal animals, our habitat is villages and towns and cities.

Ammoland and its readers tend to celebrate killing of animals and always treating it as self defense, which is a damn joke and you guys know it.
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1. Humans have more rights than animals. All human habitations once encroached on animals. We need to guard against over-hunting, but we’re in charge, not the animals.

2. Animals eat other animals. You seem to believe that we have no equal right to eat them.

3. Who is claiming that hunting and fishing are self defense? You are attacking a straw man.

[Big Red Badger]

This is 10 miles west and happened Last Week ?!?
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Bear Repellent at the Ready !

[riverrunner]

There is not a bear alive that has live there longer then humans Have.

Their home not so.

[William Tell]

”We have to share the land”

In many cases I’d rather not. I just don’t value man-eating predators as much as others do. If chimps suddenly became clever enough to kill off these predators, would we intervene? Or let nature run its course?

[2nd Amendment]

No, I was a rookie from Georgia. Saw 100’s of old mines. Wish I could have stayed in AZ for a few more days. Left my Gold Bug 2 with relatives. I hope they find a few grams. Most rugged jeep roads I have ever been on. What beautiful country. Will bring personal protection next time I go. Went right by the place in Groom where man was partially devoured. Mostly I’m on guard in grizzly country.

[2nd Amendment]

The best thing for liberals, tree huggers and wokies to do is rub bacon grease on yourself before venturing in bear country

[DesertRhino]

It means the man was not playing with bear cubs, harassing an animal etc. and actually the man was in human country. The bear moved into human territory. It’s been ours for decades. You make it sound like a man building a home in Prescott was Daniel Boone crossing the Cumberland Gap for the first time.

[Bob434]

It is beautiful out there. Even the “bad lands” in some places is beautiful. Not sure I’d wanna live there though. We have black bear, no grizzlies, but have a large blackbear population, so have to keep an eye out for them even though attacks are rare. A few folks in pur area have had bears follow them while hiking (because they had food in their backpacks) but noone I know of has been attacked, but still, always a good idea to have protection. There is the occasional couger that goes through the area too.

[adorno]

I just don’t value man-eating predators as much as others do.

It's the nature of the planet. We have animal-eating predators, and it's called, 'humans'. Nature created fairness, but the smarter of all species can still survive by using the best organ ever given to a species, aka: the brain.

We have no choice in the matter, and we have to share the land and the sea and the air. If we somehow ended up being the sole surviving species on the planet, we would soon disappear from the planet too. We are all dependent, and all of nature was designed for survival with interdependence. Even viruses and one-cell animals, are vital for humans and all other species to survive, and the greatest survival too provided to nature was/is plant life. Plant life also depends on the variety of animals that exist. As far as nature is concerned, humans are no better or more important than any other form of life.

[Cold Heart]

I took a tour of gold mine country in Oregon. The guides were miners. They were all carrying.

[2nd Amendment]

I know some friends in rural Montana. If a Griz attacks, then the three S rule comes into play, Shoot, Shut-up, and Shovel!