Posted on 08/13/2023 6:28:10 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
“Trump is calling for peace. Conditions have changed and so Trump’s policy has changed. He’s calling for Peace negotiations.”
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Trump and Zelinsky have both called for peace many times of course. Peace yes! We are all for it. As soon as Russia declares its willingness to leave Ukraine, peace-negotiations becomes possible, UN troops could be sent in to monitor the process, and the russian withdrawal started.
It could be done within 30 days.
Peace negotiations must continue about how much Russia must pay in damages. This could work out, but I dont think Putin is ready for it. Russians will need to change President first.
Details generally are quite boring.
So where are they? Who, when, how, etc. Receipts.
They have that for Bidens scams. But these aren’t “money laundering” (other than the last bit of getting the $ from Hunter to Joe), and the Uke government is a victim.
Btw, if you stick with your fantasy you are excusing the Bidens because you are denying the solid case against them.
Post #62 is for you, too. You guys are a hoot and a half.
LOL! What a tool.
Oh, good grief. This is precisely why I laugh at you and your brethren on here.
I commented about being opposed to my tax dollars going to a known money-laundering operation. You came back, hopped out of your tiny car and stomped around with those giant shoes of yours while making honking sounds your red nose, denying that there’s ever been any money-laundering done in Ukraine.
Then, you threw in a bunch of stuff about your buddy Obama and China and Grassley and tried to make it look like I was arguing those points and denying things about Burisma…that’s all so ridiculous. It’s what most of you Ukies do. You put your words into other people’s mouths and then argue those points as if they said them. So disingenuous.
When you have to resort to clownish tactics like that, you don’t have any validity. Again, this is why I don’t take you seriously.
I’m not going to get into one of those pointless, circuitous discussions you’re all taught to engage people in. As with most of the Uke crowd, I have to extricate myself from any attempted discussions with you. You’re all about slinging insults and twisting people’s words.
You may have the last word, so sling away. At least I can stop talking with you. Discussions with the likes of you are about as pleasant as a root canal. At least the root canal serves a purpose.
Bye now. 👋
Aren’t they? You just have to laugh.
I love how this one is trying to frame it so that if we disagree with his “argument”, why we’re really just supporting the Biden Crime Family. Yeah, we’re all really Hunter the Hoover and Plugs the Pedo supporters here on FR. Oh, noes ! They found us out !
Just gotta keep pointing and laughing at these ridiculous people and their even more absurdist comments. They really hate that.
Trump did not call for Russians to make concessions. Trump wanted the dying to stop and the peace negotiations to begin, and Putin has already made a UN commitment to investigating the US bio warfare labs on his border, and the 49 US bio warfare labs in the Ukraine, a term of peace negotiations.
| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Update from Ukraine | Ruzzian biggest mistake | Ukraine takes more ground with new tactics, MileHi wrote: |
These cheerleader threads are just sad. |
These cheerleader threads are even worse than they seem. Isn't it bad enough to begin with that more than half of Ukrainians have fled their country and are not expected to return, and for example, 50 year old men with chronic illnesses are being conscripted and sent to fight on the Ukraine's front without training. NATO doesn't have flesh in the game so they keep sending men forward without ground cover, to chip away uselessly at defensive lines that are reinforced with new lines as Ukrainian men die to reach them?
But these cheerleading threads are apparently parasites feeding off the conflict in the Ukraine. Many of the preformatted posts on them point to monetized videos. The most often cited 'hero' of those cheering the war is Denys Davydov, but when some FReepers looked into him, he's livin' easy in Sweeden and his cheerleading proganda videos rake in hundreds of thousands - collectively millions on monetized YOUTUBE videos to which these threads link. All this posturing and claims upon the moral high ground by the cheerleaders, forfeiting the Ukrainians in exchange for coin. More than half have fled the Ukraine and are not expected to return. The men will be 'expended' until there are none left, but should they somehow survive, their families have left and wives have married foreigners to avoid returning.
Some sauce:
FReepers Worldtraveler once upon a time further exposed the Denys Davydov cheerleading threads as grifting, based in Sweden:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4174894/posts?page=30#30
He also documented the fact that the cheerleading threads frequently link to monetized YOUTUBE videos
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4173859/posts?page=52#52
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4174894/posts?page=25#25
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4174894/posts?page=23#23
The head cheerleader tried to shut down exposure of the source for her threads by scolding Rocco DiPippo, and reminding him, "Loose Lips Sink Ships." And here he responds:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4173859/posts?page=68#68
It's largely about greed, all around, as men young and old die for no reason in the Ukraine, and those who benefit crouch behind their couches for safety, and collect the grift, while lecturing the rest of us about morality.
“known money-laundering operation”
You are still stuck here. There is money laundering going on everywhere, including in the US (Hunter to Joe, for one thing). So in what way is Ukraine (the country or its government) relevant to the US in this way?
In a more general sense this money-laundering objection is just as, or even more applicable to paying your Federal or State taxes for any purpose. You can be sure there is grift everywhere and people try to hide it.
My point is that the only case of US political corruption relevant to Ukraine is the Biden case, and that is not a matter of money laundering by the government of Ukraine. It was straight bribery of US officials by a private party. Otherwise you are working with zero information.
What happens at the end when /if Ukraine wins but there are no Ukrainians left alive. While you sheer their victory? Will you move to Ukraine?
I have friends and family in the Ukraine. There is no shortage of Ukrainians, not only alive, but working and supporting the war effort. Others are in uniform and fighting with determination, You need to get some sources that are not Moscow-based.
“based in Sweden”
Switzerland. But since he uses Atlas VPN, probably (thats his sponsor), that is unlikely to be his real location.
What is wrong with being monetized? Consider that, for instance, one of the top 10 best sellers of 1943 was by Richard Tregaskis (Guadacanal Diary, later also led to a movie contract). And several other war books. Just chose to look up Tregaskis as I’m looking for another book of his. WW2 was a heavily monetized war btw.
Any link to almost any page these days (with rare exceptions) is going to get you to a monetized site, because almost all of them are running ads. Right now I see on top of the recent FR articles the AP, Popcrush(!), Medicalxpress, the Spectator and Kiplinger.
I suggest you find more sane things to rage about.
| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Update from Ukraine | Ruzzian biggest mistake | Ukraine takes more ground with new tactics, buwaya wrote: |
“based in Sweden” Switzerland. But since he uses Atlas VPN, probably (thats his sponsor), that is unlikely to be his real location. He lives in Switzerland and was photographed at a concert there, or at least the person standing in as a CIA puppet to serve as a mouthpiece for Ukrainian military disinformation lives there. What is wrong with being monetized? Consider that, for instance, one of the top 10 best sellers of 1943 was by Richard Tregaskis (Guadacanal Diary, later also led to a movie contract). And several other war books. Just chose to look up Tregaskis as I’m looking for another book of his. WW2 was a heavily monetized war btw. Denys Davydov is profitting off the war and/or the CIA is harvesting funds to continue the war through the use of him and his fake news videos. Any link to almost any page these days (with rare exceptions) is going to get you to a monetized site, because almost all of them are running ads. Right now I see on top of the recent FR articles the AP, Popcrush(!), Medicalxpress, the Spectator and Kiplinger. But those likely don't have thread masters lecturing visitors about the morals and selflessness of those supporting the war while helping the grift along by pre-formatting numerous monetized links in support of the war, especially without telling people. So those who trust the information at the links inadvertently support the war or the grifters. It's possible those who link to those grift sites heavily/daily are compensated for the links. I suggest you find more sane things to rage about. I suggest you find someone who would consider taking a suggestion from you. Meanwhile, I'll raise public awareness of the grift going on from the NATO/BIDEN level right on down to Denys Davydov and his 'defenders'. |
Okay, let’s play hypothetical.
What if Trump’s investigation proves that the anti Moscow “propaganda mill” was telling the truth all along, and it’s the Muscovy propaganda whores who’ve been lying to us all?
Here’s what we know for a fact.
1. Most of the the biolabs weren’t secret; obviously some of the contents were but no more than they are in any other biolab in any other country on earth because you don’t want crazies breaking in to steal the stuff.
2. While the Soviet Union was in charge of the biolabs they were open doors for theft and corruption. Whole towns got hit by leaks from Soviet labs... Anthrax for example.
3. In all the time Ukraine’s biolabs have been outside of Moscow’s hands they’ve been open to inspection by international bodies, and haven’t leaked, and there’s not been a single incident of a whole town being clobbered by an anthrax leak.
4. There’s nothing in any Ukrainian biolab that you won’t find in other well maintained biolabs around the world. There’s one thing you will find in a Uke lab that you won’t find in a Russian one - disciplined, functional monitoring to ensure any leak gets detected.
5. Russian vranyo and pathological hypocrisy lead to them thinking that biolabs that can be inspected by independent auditors imply biowar against Russia, because if Russia held those biolabs that’s exactly what they’d be doing. Building bioweapons to threaten Europe and America... And denying they exist, and refusing to let inspectors do their job.
6. Russia said nothing about Ukrainian biolabs until the anti Biden loony contingent started banging on relentlessly about them. Well done chaps, in the complete absence of even one credible reason to invade Ukraine, you lot handed them another bogus one on a platter.
7. Do you really think a biolab in Russian controlled territory in Ukraine is safer than one the West can keep its eyes on?
8. Especially after we’ve seen how the stupid Russian drunk vatniks dug trenches in the irradiated zone around Chernobyl, parked high explosive stuff into the reactor buildings at Zaporozhzhia, fired rockets at the Khmelnytskyi site, flattened Mariupol without identifying buildings that mustn’t be hit, and rigged the Kakhovka dam to blow?
Don't worry, your hero dictator Zelensky is taking care of that problem.
“Hey, warmongers got bills ta pay, too !”
I think you're gonna owe me for a new keyboard. This is gold, Jerry. GOLD !"
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