Posted on 09/07/2023 9:31:53 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
funny how everyone is trusting of old narratives that they grew up with...
Here is one that I use to believe. Oliver north being the hero in the Iran contra scandal. like Nixion this is a narrative sold to us by intelligence services.
here is a Question I have. With Oliver north and his secretary destroying the paperwork in his office how do we know whether he was a patriot operating in the grey area of intelligence or an arms dealer and drug runner using government and the military as cover for criminal activity. we don’t know and probably never will know for sure one way or the other.
when you look at what happened with Nixion everything breaks down over time as to what action caused the impeachment. ask anyone what happened, and they will say he was facing impeachment because he tried to cover it up. and then can’t tell you how he was a participant in the actual crime he is accused of covering up.
To end all investigation into the mater Nixion gets pardoned so that Water gate is never investigated past the Senat hearings and those involved with the break in are not looked into past the fact they broke into Democrat party headquarters.
I don’t buy any of this. Nixon didn’t fight it, and he shouldn’t have lied once he heard about Watergate.
A lot were fed up with Nixon’s Liberalism.
A lot were fed up with Nixon’s Liberalism.
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Which is a joke. Nixon more liberal than JFK, LBJ, Humphrey, McGovern, etc.
Yeah right.
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Are you one of the few true believers of the single bullet theory left?
Yup, you're a "true believer" on FR if you believe a commie killed our president. Crazy, right?
Ummm no. On multiple counts.
“Remember, TC for most of his life, was the Washington Elite.”
And even more to the point, as director of Radio Marti, his father was almost certainly a CIA asset, if not an actual agent himself.
“They overthrow governments and assassinate people as part of their job description”
Yes, the only thing odd at all about the theory is which country it might have happened in. Change “USA” to any other country on the planet, and “Kennedy” to any other leader of the time, and the theory would be 100% plausible.
At the time, the EPA was necessary with corporations polluting lakes, rivers and streams all across the United States and land fills with toxic waste.
Unfortunately, like every govt. agency founded with good intentions, they turn out to be major disasters.......
The EPA has out lived its purpose and I'll be the first to say that the EPA should be disbanded and environmental issues be left up to the individual states and all Acts passed under their umbrella should be re-evaluated. The first being the Migratory Bird Act........
“so many people have doubts about the official explanation that maybe it’s a wash for him as far as his credibility.”
I don’t think Tucker cares about what people think of his “credibility”. He’s the most popular broadcaster in the country and he basically answers to nobody now.
And really, if the government wants us to believe the “official story”, then release all the documents they are hiding about this that were supposed to be released 20 years ago. There must be something very bad in there if both Democrats, and Republicans, and even Donald Trump were too afraid to release them, even 60 years after the fact.
I think credibility matters when you’re in the business he’s in.
Yes, though I think that story was floating around for decades even if it wasn’t in the Warren Report. Probably those witnesses repeated their testimony to the researchers or the House committee.
But even if you consider that credible, there’s still a mountain of evidence that Oswald was involved somehow. It was his rifle found on the 6th floor, and he was witnessed bringing the “curtain rods” to work that day in a brown paper parcel which was conveniently the size and shape of a broken down rifle. He also used the same rifle to shoot at General Walker and confessed as much in his own diary entries. And he left his wedding ring at home that day along with a “good bye” note to his wife.
I don’t know if he fired the shots that killed JFK or not, but he was definitely involved and he’s probably the best place to start looking for links to other people who might have been involved.
“If you can figure out a conspiracy just by “research” online, then it’s probably nonsense.”
Sure, but this neglects to take into account that people were doing actual research, going out and tracking down witnesses, analyzing photos, films, the autopsy report, and the Warren Commission testimony, for decades in this case before the internet was invented. And of course there are reams of evidence that is only available because information that was classified for decades is now public, and the declassification of that information didn’t serve to debunk the theories, but in fact confirmed some key points instead.
For one thing, Bob Woodard was a CIA Agent.
Yale, Navy Intel, aboard the USS Wright, and was one of two officers assigned to move or handle nuclear launch codes the Wright carried in its capacity as a National Emergency Command Post Afloat, the gets out of the Navy, accepted to Yale law but skips to be a journalist. Can’t get hired because he has no experience. Gets hired anyway at the Post.
Comes up with a deep throat source story which turned out to be an FBI agent.
The stinky CIA was all over this.
“if you believe a commie killed our president”
Even the Russians didn’t believe that Oswald was actually a commie.
Oswald was deeply involved—as the designated patsy.
They needed one since CIA guys (who I named in an earlier post) had no interest in being executed for the deed.
While E. Howard Hunt was responsible for onsite logistics it was James Jesus Angleton who “managed” Oswald and got him to the right place at the right time.
One amusing Oswald tidbit was when he asked for a specific attorney. That attorney was a well known Communist attorney, John Abt I believe. The reason it was amusing was because Oswald (as part of his counterintelligence duties) wrote to the Communist Party USA and asked to start a Fair Play for Cuba chapter in Dallas. They rejected him but he did it anyway.
The Abt request means that Oswald still believed he had to maintain his cover and that Angleton would get him out of the mess.
It was not until the instant that Ruby shot him that Oswald figured out he had been betrayed—and he knew Ruby personally so he knew exactly what happened.
Ruby was told to do the deed and that LBJ would give him a pardon—another betrayal.
Both Oswald and Ruby were hung out to dry.
“J. Edgar Hoover had a file on Ford—apparently Gerald like to enjoy the company of prostitutes at the “Kit Kat Club”—and the FBI had the pictures (maybe even video) to prove it.”
Doesn’t sound too implausible. Hoover didn’t stay in power for decades across however many Presidents for no reason. He was spying on everyone.
Minor correction—the Fair Play for Cuban incident happened in New Orleans—the famous building that had a CIA office in it right next to where Oswald printed his flyers.
Sure, but even if he sits there talking about JFK conspiracies, alien abductions, and the freemasons sacrificing babies every day, he’ll still have more credibility than all of the mainstream media outlets combined.
“The Abt request means that Oswald still believed he had to maintain his cover and that Angleton would get him out of the mess.”
Good observation.
“It was not until the instant that Ruby shot him that Oswald figured out he had been betrayed—and he knew Ruby personally so he knew exactly what happened.”
Yes, he knew him, and probably not just recently from Dallas. One of Oswald’s brothers was mobbed up in New Orleans and frequented one of Ruby’s clubs he was running for the mob over there.
But I’m not sure that was the moment Oswald figured out he was being hung out to dry. After all, he had previously made the famous “I’m just a patsy” comment to reporters, the night before I believe. I imagine he probably started to suspect things weren’t right when his handler failed to show up at the movie theater, but perhaps wasn’t certain until the end.
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