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A dark but important topic. What kind of casualties is USA looking at if Hamas launches an attack here?

Posted on 10/29/2023 8:32:15 PM PDT by MNDude

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To: Psalm 73

All of them are willing to die, and do not expect to live. they do not enter battle expecting to live. For them, that is a reward. Speak to any trooper or Marine who fought ISIS in Iraq.


101 posted on 10/30/2023 9:17:59 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Liberty Ship

I was going to post this reference as well.

Considering he wrote it a DECADE ago is amazingly prescient.

Reading that book was, for me, like watching the most realistic and frightening horror movie ever made. It was WAAY too plausible. Plus when you read a book your own mind forms the images in your mind, making it even more ‘realistic.’

For me, it was truly heart-pounding fiction. Your mileage may vary.


102 posted on 10/30/2023 9:22:30 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

TIK - Never underestimate your enemy, especially one your politicians are appeasing.

Some thoughts/advice/musings of setting realistic expectations and preps is the following:

1. Continue standard prepping
2. Add an emphasis on having a serious, immediately available kinetic defense of life and property ready.
2.1 Always carry and keep long guns and ammo in your vehicle.
2.1.1 BUT!!! DO not maneuver in the open with a long gun during any incident because NO ONE will know if you are a good guy or bad guy.
2.2 Consider discretely violating the gun free zones.
2.2.1 Gun free zones WILL be a characteristic of the primary soft targets selected, so as the rhetoric heats up, just don’t go there.
3. Review bugout or meet-up plans with your group. Tweak it for this specific scenario.
4. Understand and anticipate the devastating psychological impact of an attack that dwarfs 9-11 in scale and scope. I suggest you get a copy (and read it) of Jonathan Hollerman’s “Survival Theory 2” ASAP. Even if *YOU* are strong and faithful, MANY around you will not be.
5. Many EMP scenarios (and similar) offer up 1-3 day time frames before law and civilization collapse. That makes sense because if the power and internet go down, normalcy bias and a lack of information make this a reasonable human reaction. But if terrorism like this happens, the collapse will be IMMEDIATE. Think about that and have a plan, and backups for that plan.
6. Their violence, cruelty, brutality and evil will be beyond what 99.9% of people can even imagine. Troopers and Marines who fought the second battle of Falujah lived this for weeks. *IF* they can talk about it at all, they can tell you what it is like to face the Evil One incarnate, room after room, house after house. Over and over. Are you and yours ready for that?
7. They will lay booby traps and time delay IEDs to kill first responders. Do NOT go where they (terrorists) have been.
8. Lastly as another poster stated - read William Forschten’s “Day of Wrath” which foretold this very sort of scenario. I read it again a few days ago and sadly I think he made it a tad too palatable for the reader. “it” being the nature of ISIS/Hamas terror actions. Still made my heart pound reading it again. PS, there’s no happy ending.


103 posted on 10/30/2023 9:54:08 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: nonliberal

Islam is a war plan.


104 posted on 10/30/2023 10:32:55 AM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: Blueflag
Its a lot like fighting the Japanese in WWII.

There simply is no surrender and they expect to take as many of us as they can, with them.

They are fighting a holy war, we will FUBAR our response trying to deal with them in our justice system.

105 posted on 10/30/2023 10:37:47 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: MNDude

Bull Shit!

Hamas lacks the capability to project beyond Gaza. The question is simply absurd ignorance.


106 posted on 10/30/2023 10:46:26 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: bert
Hamas lacks the capability to project beyond Gaza...The question is simply absurd ignorance.

We're not talking just hummus. We are talking about 1.7 billion followers of the religion of pieces, that want us dead...And no border to stop them.

Got a mosque in your community?? Have you seen what they are doing in Sweden, England and France?

107 posted on 10/30/2023 10:56:13 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: BigpapaBo

But.......Bush and Grover Norquist told us that Islam was peaceful......


108 posted on 10/30/2023 11:05:12 AM PDT by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: bert

REM: Iran is behind this. Hamas is just the pointy end of their spear in Gaza.

Indeed it may not be Hamas here in the US. Doesn’t really matter WHAT they call themselves. What matters is their intent, their capabilities and will, and their order of battle. None of the above is good news.

Bert - do not underestimate this enemy.


109 posted on 10/30/2023 11:20:32 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: pfflier

Yep. Why we had to resort to weapons as horrific as the flame thrower and the atomic bomb.


110 posted on 10/30/2023 11:21:58 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Jonty30

If they attack like they did in Israel, the count would be lower as we are armed here, something Israel was not.


111 posted on 10/30/2023 11:56:22 AM PDT by packrat35 (Pureblood! No clot shot for me!)
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To: MNDude

1787 deaths and 5489 wounded. Depending on scale of attack. If you gave ma access to C4, timers, MANPADS …. I could do more damage in a few hours. I am not sure why the Feds just don’t ask some people how would you do it? Timers on subways, high traffic areas, PoP a couple of man pads the go Rambo on any large groups. Not difficullt to just google events then add from there.

If they do a USA attack imho tactical nukes should be used. Burn them, threaten anyone closely/possibly connected but have a plan on turning USA into fortress USA and we know the ice cream man can’t comprehend that.


112 posted on 10/30/2023 1:28:05 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored )
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To: MNDude

About tray-fiddy.


113 posted on 10/30/2023 1:28:57 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: pfflier

No, you are projecting beyond the reality of Iran at war with Israel


114 posted on 10/30/2023 2:54:00 PM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

President Biden just gave another $100,000,000 to the "Palestinians" and is trying to stop the Israeli ground assault on HAMAS in Gaza.

What if America sustained a muslim terrorist attack the same magnitude as the October 7 HAMAS attack on israel?
Would Biden be so cavalier if an equivalent number of USA citizens were so brutally slaughtered?

To put in in perspective think about this:

The USA population is almost 48 times larger than the Israeli Jewish population.
So for every Israeli killed by HAMAS on October 7, almost 48 Americans would be killed.

This would be the headline:

66,600 Americans Slaughtered In Muslim Terrorist Attack

The Jewish population of Israel is about 7,145,000
A reported 1,400 Israelis were killed by HAMAS muslim terrorists.
1,400 is 0.015954% of 7,145,000

If the muslim terrorists killed the same percentage of USA citizens:
The 2023 population of the USA is estimated at 339.996.000
0.015954% of 339,996,000 = 66,618


115 posted on 10/30/2023 2:59:50 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Sun Tzu: An Evil Man Will Burn His Own Nation To The Ground To Rule Over The Ashes. )
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To: Blueflag

Never underestimate your enemy, especially one your politicians are appeasing.


116 posted on 10/30/2023 3:17:15 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Sun Tzu: An Evil Man Will Burn His Own Nation To The Ground To Rule Over The Ashes. )
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To: Iron Munro

See your tag line, eh?


117 posted on 10/30/2023 3:28:45 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Iron Munro

See your tag line, eh?


118 posted on 10/30/2023 3:29:05 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: dadfly

Our church has had a meeting for that very reason

Even though we have security folks in place every Sunday…..
…one guy makes a huge point of locking the door in the front of the church closest to ourPastors lectern……right in front of the whole congregation
Not sure what that’s about


119 posted on 10/30/2023 3:30:17 PM PDT by Guenevere (“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?”)
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To: Liberty Ship

Yes, Day of Earth is VERY unsettling. I’ve read my copy several times and it scares me every time. It seems the evil is out there just waiting to strike.


120 posted on 10/30/2023 9:34:46 PM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini ("Let Us Never Forget What They Have Done")
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