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Air Force again dangles $600,000 in bonuses to keep pilots in uniform
Air Force Times via Yahoo ^ | 12/08/2023 | Rachel Cohen

Posted on 12/09/2023 10:52:09 AM PST by DFG

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To: DFG

GloboHomo pays for this by printing more debt so that our offspring live like slaves.


21 posted on 12/09/2023 11:42:32 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: DFG
he Rated Officer Retention Demonstration Program,

Oh good another ridiculously titled program to fix a problem without any self-reflection on how THEY caused the problem in the first place.

22 posted on 12/09/2023 11:42:55 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The GloboHomo air force.


23 posted on 12/09/2023 11:43:25 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: DouglasKC
I saw an ad recently by united airlines calling for people to enter into their pilot training program. Never seen that before.

Aren't they the ones who announced a couple years ago that they would only hire certain ethnicities?

24 posted on 12/09/2023 11:47:36 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: Regulator

The bonus is for the white guys to put up with their black overlords.


25 posted on 12/09/2023 11:48:19 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: Trumpisourlastchance
--- "The GloboHomo air force."

Went from Clinton's oh-so-clever "don't ask, don't tell" to Pride flag waving and more. Too much more.

Pardon the pun but --- DoD on Arrival.....
26 posted on 12/09/2023 11:50:37 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

And that their aircraft are being maintained by diversity hires.


27 posted on 12/09/2023 11:58:53 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: DFG

Maybe if you insane Biden morons hadn’t kicked them out over the clot shot you would not be wasting $600,000.


28 posted on 12/09/2023 12:08:59 PM PST by bray (You can tell who the Commies fear.)
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To: DFG

We’ll see if even that amount of extra income compensates for working for a collection of White House and Pentagon clowns that they wouldn’t salute, respect, or even give a sh** about. Oh, and should they be captured overseas...feggedabowdit. At least when some of us served, our senior command was both competent and had our respect.


29 posted on 12/09/2023 12:10:16 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: DFG

Does is also apply to WHITE MALE pilots, or is it only to make our air force look like the Third World?


30 posted on 12/09/2023 12:10:31 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Redcitizen

Very unreliable Air Force we’ve gotten ourselves
The pilots, who are all officers, are now mercenaries.
And as Machiavellis pointed out, mercenaries are great until the shooting begins.

Air Force pilots have not faced significant danger in at least 50 years. Now that they are mercenaries, how willling will they be to fly when their lives are seriously at risk, such as if we got into a war with China, or any other power (Russia Iran Turkey India) that could inflict heavy casualties?

I suspect the situation is worse in our navy, where the men are mostly enlisted. It is reported that in war games, China sinks half our ships. If we got into a war, and our navy guys had the chance to jump ship,how many could we we depend on?

You need great skill in peacetime, but you dont need devotion. It may be pricey now, but you can always buy skill. In war, you also need great devotion.


31 posted on 12/09/2023 12:24:23 PM PST by OVERTIME (Tammie Lee Haynes)
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To: DFG

F35’s cost about $80 million a copy and B2 bombers cost about $1 billion EACH in 2022 dollars.

who do they expect to fly these things? These are highly-technical and specific super-computers with wings.

So US Airforce will be LUCKY if $600K is enough to keep enough pilots.

More important - it shows how absolutely f****ing stupid, short-sighted and woke-political America’s military leadership is/was to drive even one of these pilots away with their woke/VAX BS.


32 posted on 12/09/2023 12:25:47 PM PST by PGR88
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To: DFG

Paging Hassard Lee...Pick up the white phone...


33 posted on 12/09/2023 12:41:53 PM PST by devane617 (Discipline Is Reliable, Motivation Is Fleeting..)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Another factor is how much general (private) aviation has grown.


34 posted on 12/09/2023 1:05:19 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: OVERTIME

“Air Force pilots have not faced significant danger in at least 50 years. Now that they are mercenaries, how willling will they be to fly when their lives are seriously at risk, such as if we got into a war with China, or any other power (Russia Iran Turkey India) that could inflict heavy casualties?”

Very interesting point!


35 posted on 12/09/2023 1:07:55 PM PST by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: DFG

The $600,000 is over a 10 year period. It brings the per year rate up to around $140k. That’s nowhere near what a military trained pilot can make in the civilian world. A major airline will start them at 200k and by 10 years in they could be at 500k.


36 posted on 12/09/2023 1:11:42 PM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!)
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To: SamAdams76

Just to ease your mind, that’s $600,000 over 12 years or $50,000 per year and $1 in 1985 is worth $2.86 today.

So your $16,000 is worth $45,760 today. Today’s retention is 9% higher than what you were offered (in constant dollar terms).

BUT, you have to take the Net Present Value of that twelve-year cash flow stream. At 7%, that $600k spread over 12 years nets to $397,000 today. Divide that by 12 and you get $33,000. Divide that by 2.86 and today’s value of that cash flow stream is $11,572 in 1985 dollars.

Bottom line...you were offered a better deal in 1985 than what is being offered today.

You should feel a lot better now.


37 posted on 12/09/2023 1:17:46 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Interesting bit of the article

“The problem, according to Gould, is Air Force pilots are in the cockpit less and less. Instead, they’re spending more time in training sessions and handling administrative duties.

“After a while you kind of look back and go, ‘I’m a pilot and I’m flying, if I’m lucky, once a week. What am I doing the other 80 percent of my time?’” Gould paused, before answering, “Stupid paperwork.”


Doesn’t seem to occur to anyone to take a hard look at how many of these administrative duties could be cut, so existing pilots spend more time flying.


38 posted on 12/09/2023 4:07:49 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Redcitizen

Sadly, the sun sets on a country which can not keep a ready military out of love of country and protection of home. America has been the police of the world, and we all see it. The interest protected is the billionairs and corporations. Money won’t do it. Neither will apologies to the others who got a swift kick in the ass out the door.


39 posted on 12/09/2023 4:59:47 PM PST by healy61 (.)
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To: DFG
$600k is cheaper than running programs designed to find replacements.

One problem with Air Force pilot retention is that pilots of many airframes have no future beyond their last day in the Air Force. As such, they're incentivized to leave the first day they can.

Helicopters (this affects Army, Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard as well) - there are very few helicopter jobs for civilians, and only a small portion of those jobs pay well. Every day a pilots spends in a helicopter cockpit is another day they sit on the last rung of that career progression ladder.

Single Engine Aircraft and aircraft with an FAA multi-engine Center Thrust limitation rating - hours in such aircraft as the A-10, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22, F-35, F-117, T-6 Texan II, T-38, U-2, U-28 (single engine turboprop), etc., do not count toward multi-engine time needed for a commercial or Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate. Every hour pilots of those airframes spend in the cockpit is another day they sit on the last rung of that career progression ladder. A lot of them are flown by Guard and Reservists but even they can't retain sufficient pilots.

Unmanned Aircraft - these "pilots" are in dead-end jobs, so much so that the military tried to open it up to non-pilots but it didn't work out. Flying unmanned aircraft doesn't count for any time toward a commercial or ATP certificate.

Multi-engine "heavies" (B-1, B-52, C-5, C-17, C-32, KC-10s, and KC-135s) - pilots who fly these aircraft have a direct progression into commercial aviation. While they may stay in the Guard and Reserve while flying for the airlines, their main job is the commercial one.

40 posted on 12/09/2023 5:55:25 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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