Posted on 02/12/2024 7:40:53 AM PST by marcusmaximus
yup already corrected the date
They were not ‘gaffes’. Putin spoke his mind and said what he intended to say.
I saw a Zeeper complaining earlier about sources that make FR look like “DU Light,” but their own members post crap like this day in and day out and they seem quite OK with that.
Zeepers. 🙄
A woman walks into a Moscow food store. “Do you have any meat?”
“No, we don’t.”
“What about eggs?”
“We only deal with meat. Across the street there is the store where they have no eggs.”
Yeah. They forgot to remove the Ukraine flag from their post, like they would usually do when pretending to be something else.
That was excellent. Thanks for posting.
Not to mention the enormous effects of the relentless day and night bombing by the Eight Air Force and RAF Bomber Command which eviscerated German production capabilities.
Cute reference to the Waffen SS's capabilities - which was by that latter stage of the war, effective, well-equipped and brutal.
The only reason the Soviets took Berlin was because the Western Allies had agreed to hold back so the Soviets would given priority to take Berlin. Patton pushed for our forces to take Berlin before the Soviets got there but was overruled.
Got a great job with TASS, do you?
Khrushchev said that Stalin told him that without Lend-Lease from Britain and the US, there was no way the Soviets would have been able to repel the Germans.
Ah yes... Like that standard Russian saying: “We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us”
True that: we sent Bell P-39 Airacobras (tank busters extraordinaire), C-47s and B-25s - but most importantly, lots and lots of trucks. If those trucks didn't make it (we lost hundreds of thousands of tons of shipping and thousands of merchant seamen trying to reach Murmansk) they would not have had anything to tow artillery or transport troops and supplies. The Germans used horses (!) and the Soviets used American trucks.
When going with propaganda, you go big.
The essence of propaganda consists in winning people over to an idea so sincerely, so vitally, that in the end they succumb to it utterly and can never escape from it. - Joseph Goebbels
This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it. - Joseph Goebbels
The essence of propaganda consists in winning people over to an idea so sincerely, so vitally, that in the end they succumb to it utterly and can never escape from it. - Joseph Goebbels
Josef learned from George Creel, who sold Americans on entering WWI.
Absolutely true. Stalin couldn't even FEED his army. The US supplied shiploads of Spam, via a railway specially built across Iran from the Persian Gulf. Fat lot of gratitude it got us.
The book is "Feeding the Bear", now sadly out of print, (and I loaned mine out years ago and never got it back).
Stick to numbers. Numbers are truth.
250,000 troops. “The Best” is not numbers.
The Germans lost 400,000 at Stalingrad and another 150K at Moscow. The Hungarian, Italian and Romanian totals exceeded the German number at Stalingrad.
Numbers, only numbers. Interpretations are ephemeral.
Holding back is words. Not numbers. Soviet numbers in Berlin exceeded the US and UK and whoever.
Bombing is talked of. The only bombing of significance must necessarily talk about oil, which is everything. Ploesti oil fields in Romania were bombed over and over at enormous Allied loss. And restored over and over.
Scroll down to the bottom of this presentation of bombing vs oil production. It is loaded with numbers, which tell a tale of failure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_campaign_of_World_War_II
The real truth is that the Soviet Union would part of Greater Germany today if the Western Allies hadn't fought to keep the seaways open, fought to defeat German forces on Africa, Sicily, Italy and France, fought to gain air supremacy over Germany, fought to get the Soviets lend-lease support (primarily trucks).
The truth is, that even if the Soviets just held the German Wehrmacht in place in 1943, the West would have still defeated the Germans because the Germans could never hope to match our production volume, our high quality aircraft, artillery, and steadily improving antiarmor weapons.
Had the Germans lasted longer that August 1945, we would have nuked Berlin - as had been originally planned.
The Soviet tactics wasted lives and would never have succeeded without massive and generous Western support and skilled combatants.
Put(in) that in your pipe and smoke it!
I will give the Soviets credit for the T-34.
A German general who saw it for the first time during the early days of Barbarossa said, that if the Soviet could mass produce it, Germany would lose the war.
The Germans were unable to attack their tank factories in the Urals because they didn't produce the long-range bombers to make those attacks.
We stuck with the Sherman but it was the numbers and the poor hapless tank crews who took on the panzers and defeated them. Things didn't improve until the Brits fielded their Firefly version with its excellent 17-pounder Tiger-killer gun and the US "Easy 8" and its 76mm gun with its superior AP projectile (when they could get them).
Quote numbers, specifically in rebuttal to raw numbers I have provided or you are just quoting imagined history books.
Numbers. About oil.
Study. It will do you good.
They must pay you well for churning out Comintern propaganda.
I am well aware of the meat grinder the Eastern Front became - but the truth is that the Soviets would have lost if the Western Allies hadn’t done their part.
Pull away from your tattered Izvestia reading list and read about our contributions to defeating the Nazis (and the Japanese).
Now - answer the questions posed in my last post - we had two nuclear weapons ready to go in August 1945: why did the Russians have to waste their soldier’s lives in idiotic frontal attacks?
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