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Huge image damage: Biden and Trump turn their backs on Netanyahu
Israel Hayom (Israel Today) ^ | 26/3/2024, 23:30, Updated26/3/2024, 23:30 | Ariel Kahane

Posted on 04/01/2024 11:28:58 AM PDT by Miami Rebel

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I'd dismiss this as nonsense, but this is a rightwing Israeli paper (which has the widest circulation of any newspaper in that country,) and it was founded and funded by President Trump's dear friend, Sheldon Adelson. If this were in Ha'aretz it'd be a different matter.

The original is in Hebrew and this translation is a bit clunky. It might be that the essay reflects more of Israeli paranoia than it does a change in President Trump's support, but since it does convey the thinking of Netanyahu's hardcore supporters it's worth reading.

1 posted on 04/01/2024 11:28:58 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: Miami Rebel

You can’t dismiss it. Trump essentially said the same in his book (and first tweet after the raid). Probably because Israel created Hamas so as not to have to negotiate with the PA it is quite obvious that Netanyahu didn’t really want a settlement and he preferred dealing with Abbas.


2 posted on 04/01/2024 11:35:22 AM PDT by erlayman (E )
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To: Miami Rebel

Stupid headline and stupid article - not reflective of what President Trump actually said.


3 posted on 04/01/2024 11:38:37 AM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: Miami Rebel

At least in translation it seems to misrepresent what Trump was saying (I did not see or read the actual interview). One has to take care to understand Trump (e.g. there are fine people on both sides, bloodbath, etc)

Trump is obviously correct that anti-Israeli sentiment has risen in this country especially among the left. But the left (unfortunately) holds powerful positions throughout society. Blowing sunshine up skirts does no one any good.

His advice was about how to manage their PR compaign. The Israelis would be wise at least to consider this advice.

Trump said finish the job. Take him at his word.


4 posted on 04/01/2024 11:39:17 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Miami Rebel

Let’s not forget that bibi was rather quick to accept joey bags biden as the “winner”... and that he comes from a parliamentary system that not the US Constitutional system or form of government. Look how much kowtowing he has to do to the very non-independent Israeli judiciary fighting him and working closely with US Leftists who incidentally do not support Israel whatsoever— the “two state” ripoff Left.

This may be ultra rightist media— but what does that mean in a parliamentary unity government that supports Netanyahu? Really very little. Would like to see the interview which clearly they try to parse in real time. Trump’s point about the near constant images foisted by IDF to westernsources— is valid— don’t brag, just get it done. (”Like I did to Qesam Suleimanai”.. remember?). Todays flattening Iranian consulate bldg ramps this ups- and few photos should be allowed out. Also, Knesset voted to shut down Al Jazeera in Israel— conduit blocked.


5 posted on 04/01/2024 11:42:07 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ALPAPilot

One sits in the Oval Office, the other is a private citizen.

But both are elevated to the same import, at least for sharing a headline. Almost as if everyone, and I mean everyone, knows who’s opinion really matters.


6 posted on 04/01/2024 11:42:15 AM PDT by TonyinLA (I don't have sufficient information to formulate a reasoned opinion said no lefty ever.)
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To: enumerated

- not reflective of what President Trump actually said.“

That was my first reaction. Bibi calling to congratulate Traitor Joe when the results were still very much in doubt was a stupid and naive move that got him nothing. The rats hate Bibi and nothing will change that.


7 posted on 04/01/2024 11:49:42 AM PDT by gibsonguy ( )
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Don’t forget that Trump wants to win Michigan again (IMHO he won in 2020 except for voter fraud). In Dearbornistan, the quickest way to get 100% vote for the Dims is if the Republicans say too much positive about Israel.


8 posted on 04/01/2024 12:02:47 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Miami Rebel

Israel Hayom started as a Rightist Israeli paper. It has since become a typical Leftist mouthpiece after the death of owner Sheldon Adelson, not different from Times of Israel or Jerusalem Post.


9 posted on 04/01/2024 12:10:04 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Miami Rebel

Gee...Anther anti-Trump concoction....I’m stunned...NOT


10 posted on 04/01/2024 12:15:05 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: erlayman

“ Israel created Hamas”

I think we know who you stand with.


11 posted on 04/01/2024 12:20:13 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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I am a strong supporter of Israel, and I served in Israel in 1988-90 as a UN Truce Observer as the Intifada was happening. While I was in Gaza, I saw the Palestinian men set up a barricade and then put boxes of baseball-sized rocks behind them and then put kids behind the barricade to do the rock-throwing while the men hid in the background.

An Israeli patrol of two showed up, not wearing their helmets, flak vests open, and just sauntering down the middle of the street. The first barrage of rocks hit one of them in the head, and he went down bleeding profusely. The second soldier opened fire with a rubber bullet and hit the eye of the 6 year old girl, blinding that eye.

A reaction platoon arrived quickly and fired energetically at the kids (including ball ammo), but they didn't appear to hit anybody and the kids ran off.

I met with that platoon's commander, an American-born lieutenant and criticized the tactics used. He was furious that I condemned them for the laxity of the patrol and the heavy-handed response and asked me what he should have done (I was a Marine Major at the time, so he couldn't allow himself to be too furious). I told him that the patrol should have been bigger - 3-4 soldiers, minimum - and they need to always wear all of their protective gear. They need to stay out of the center of the streets and they need to be given better less lethal alternatives than rubber bullets from a high velocity rifle. More importantly, his troops need to be better trained in responding to these obviously carefully orchestrated provocations designed to give their country a black eye: the hamhanded responses give the rest of the world the tools needed to damage them.

He still sullenly listened, so I said, what Israel needs to understand is that while the Gazans are under Israeli control, they belong to you and their protection, feeding, supply and medical support are Israeli responsibility. If you don't understand that, Israel might be beaten in the world opinion and eventually destroyed.

What President Trump is trying to tell them is that image is important and the sight of 1,000 pound bombs hitting among civilians (like the White Phosphorus artillery rounds a few years ago) does not convey of an Israel trying to protect them while destroying Hamas. It projects the image of omnidirectional revenge without regard to bystanders.

12 posted on 04/01/2024 12:21:22 PM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Miami Rebel

“ he refrained from saying that Israel should destroy Hamas, and settled for general phrases such as “finish the job.””

Finish the job.

There’s a phrase “do I have to spell it out?”


13 posted on 04/01/2024 12:22:19 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Miami Rebel

The headline is provacative and inaccurate. If the reporter can’t figure out the meaning of Trump’s comments, then that’s on him. Trump refuses to step into traps that journalists set for him. In the past, he’s unambiguously condemned Hamas and supported the Israeli objective of dismantling them. He’s not going to keep repeating it to give some reporter an inflammatory sounding sound-bite.

He made it clear - “Do what has to be done”. And he also made it clear. Do it quickly and quietly. Remember Trump talking about his decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem? He had leaders calling him in the days leading up to it, hoping to change his mind. His response? “Tell them I’ll return their call”. Once Trump made the move official then he returned their calls, when it no longer mattered. The moral of the story? When you have a difficult decision to make, just make it, then get it done with minimal theatrics.


14 posted on 04/01/2024 12:23:44 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: Chainmail
If you don't understand that, Israel might be beaten in the world opinion and eventually destroyed.

It's too late to "manage" Gaza. So what needs to be done is to destroy Gaza.

Israel is already going to suffer the consequences. They'll have to be prepared for the Americans cutting them off eventually.

15 posted on 04/01/2024 12:25:17 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Tell It Right

Trump absolutely won MI in 20.


16 posted on 04/01/2024 12:26:10 PM PDT by gibsonguy ( )
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To: Miami Rebel

“This enormous damage to his image...”
Reminds me of the old UK newspaper headline “Huge Fog in Channel — Continent Cut Off.”


17 posted on 04/01/2024 12:31:31 PM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: Miami Rebel
May 2021 AP story in LA Times

How Hamas amassed thousands of rockets to strike at Israel

May 2021

The Hamas Rocket Arsenal

August 2021

Hamas' Advanced Weaponry: Rockets, Artillery, Drones, Cyber - EXCERPT:

In the 11 days of the 2021 war, Hamas launched 400 rockets a day, nearly four times the daily average number of launches in 2014. Hamas also launched six suicide drones during the war. All were intercepted by Israel, some by classified means.

August 2021

Hamas' Advanced Weaponry: Rockets, Artillery, Drones, Cyber

HAMAS UNDERSEA NAVAL COMMANDOS:

The IDF identified a Hamas naval base in 2016, before announcing the sea tunnel [discovered in 2018] . . . A senior Israeli Navy officer said. "We consider it a 'blue tunnel'—from land to sea.

[August 1, 2021], after the 2021 Gaza conflict, evidence suggests that Hamas imported weapons through an underwater tunnel on the Mediterranean coast.

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Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel [Wikipedia] EXCERPT:

"Attacks began in 2001. [As of August 2014 data] almost 20,000 rockets had hit southern Israel . . ."

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Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date [2001 - 2023]

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18 posted on 04/01/2024 12:33:25 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: ifinnegan

That is just a fact. Reported by Haaretz a few weeks after the war started. I don’t stand with Israel on that particular policy. Most Israelis don’t stand with Netanyahu either.


19 posted on 04/01/2024 12:34:16 PM PDT by erlayman (E )
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To: ifinnegan

Israel did not create Hamas. This a bs assertion. Israel created free elections from the PA and the Gazans chose to build Hamas. Big difference. I think most Israelis were surprised how hated they were by the Gazans since they employed so many. As a neighbor told me once, never trust an Arab.


20 posted on 04/01/2024 12:40:50 PM PDT by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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