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Tolkien Teaches Us to Take Courage
The Daily Telegraph via The National Post ^ | 1/6/03 | Tom Shippey

Posted on 01/09/2003 8:29:39 AM PST by ksen

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To: mtngrl@vrwc
If Frodo had turned aside from his task I doubt if Sam would have taken the ring and gone into Mordor alone

But when he thinks Frodo is dead, he does decide to take the ring to the Crack of Doom alone:

... 'He's dead!' he said. 'Not asleep, dead!' And as he said it, as if the words had set the venom to its work again, it seemed to him that the hue of the face grew livid green.
And then black despair came down on him, and Sam bowed to the ground, and drew his gray hood over his head, and night came into his heart, and he knew no more.
When at last the blackness passed, Sam looked up and shadows were about him; but for how many minutes or hours the world had gone dragging on he could not tell. He was still in the same place, and still his master lay beside him dead. The mountains had not crumbled nor the earth fallen into ruin.
'What shall I do, what shall I do?' he said. 'Did I come all this way with him for nothing?' And then he remembered his own voice speaking words that at the time he did not understand himself, at the beginning of their journey: I have something to do before the end. I must see it through, sir, if you understand.
'But what can I do? Not leave Mr. Frodo dead, unburied on the top of the mountains, and go home? Or go on? Go on?' he repeated, and for a moment doubt and fear shook him. 'Go on? Is that what I've got to do? And leave him?'
Then at last he began to weep; and going to Frodo he composed his body, and folded his cold hands upon his breast, and wrapped his cloak about him; and he laid his own sword at one side, and the staff that Faramir had given at the other.
'If I'm to go on,' he said, 'then I must take your sword, by your leave, Mr. Frodo, but I'll put this one to lie by you, as it lay by the old king in the barrow; and you've got your beautiful mithril coat from old Mr. Bilbo. And your star-glass, Mr. Frodo, you did lend it to me and I'll need it again, for I'll be always in the dark now. It's too good for me, and the Lady gave it to you, but maybe she'd understand. Do you understand, Mr. Frodo? I've got to go on.' ....

41 posted on 01/10/2003 8:08:01 AM PST by Elenya
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To: Elenya
I can't wait to find out how Peter Jackson will define Sam in ROTK: your straightforward down to earth Sam or my pure of heart but intuitive Sam.

I can't wait either. I want to see old brave Sam deliberating his choices outside Shelob's lair. Oh, and I want to see Shelob, too! Should be cool.

42 posted on 01/10/2003 8:14:49 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Elenya

43 posted on 01/10/2003 8:24:41 AM PST by mtngrl@vrwc
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To: mtngrl@vrwc
Yeah, they did a good job with Gollum in TTT. He is more sympathetic than the original, I think, with his facial expression and everything.
44 posted on 01/10/2003 8:39:40 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Puddleglum
Here you go!


45 posted on 01/10/2003 8:53:30 AM PST by Elenya
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To: mtngrl@vrwc
Sigh!

How many days left? :o(

46 posted on 01/10/2003 8:55:16 AM PST by Elenya
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To: Elenya
How many days left? :o(

Too dang many.

47 posted on 01/10/2003 9:04:02 AM PST by mtngrl@vrwc
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To: mtngrl@vrwc; Puddleglum
And so it begins... again...:
1. The long wait for the TTT DVD
2.The long wait for the TTT DVD extended version
3.The long wait for the ROTK movie.

I managed to survive the first time, I'm not sure I can make it this time!

Am I pathetic or what?

48 posted on 01/10/2003 9:11:10 AM PST by Elenya
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To: carton253
I would use either Sean Bean or Viggo

Great choices! And I would add Daniel Day-Lewis.

49 posted on 01/10/2003 9:19:26 AM PST by Elenya
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To: Elenya
Woohoo - nice Shelob pic! The mean old last child of Ungoliant is coming to the big screen and we get to see it. Small quibbles aside I'm truly glad how well-produced these movies are and can't wait for the finale.
50 posted on 01/10/2003 9:22:33 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Elenya
O definitely Sean Bean, if I had to chose between those two.

Viggo lost all credibility for me as an actor. I think Viggo has TOO hard an edge. Sean Bean, in general though is almost TOO old.

Who is this Roger Howarth? What has he been in?

So far, its been hard to imagine anyone as good as James Wilby.

51 posted on 01/10/2003 9:32:19 AM PST by Alkhin (One thing you have not found in your hunting and that's brighter wits!)
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To: Elenya
Am I pathetic or what?

If so, I'm right there with you, Friend. :-/

52 posted on 01/10/2003 9:34:59 AM PST by mtngrl@vrwc
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To: carton253; mtngrl@vrwc; Puddleglum
(Breathtakingly gorgeous) Daniel Day-Lewis

He was actually Peter Jackson's first choice for Aragorn, but he declined.

I'm very happy with Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn though. BUT I wish Viggo would shut up! He's the kind of actor who isn't content with the gift for being an outstanding actor. He thinks of himself as an intellectual too. Big mistake! Viggo is gorgeous and an extraordinary actor, but he isn't anywhere near as smart as he thinks he is. He should be more humble and thank God for the gift for acting he was given.

Viggo, do us all a favor: NO MORE INTERVIEWS. You're ruining my Aragorn!

53 posted on 01/10/2003 9:43:35 AM PST by Elenya
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To: Alkhin
Check out my #53. What do you think of DDL?
54 posted on 01/10/2003 9:45:25 AM PST by Elenya
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Who is this Roger Howarth? What has he been in?

Didn't know him either. Did a Google search. He's a soap star. Here's a picture I found. But I'm not impressed...


55 posted on 01/10/2003 9:57:28 AM PST by Elenya
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To: mtngrl@vrwc; Puddleglum
It just occurred to me that you might be wondering what Daniel Day-Lewis is doing here. My #53 was actually a reply to Carton253 who was suggesting names of actors who could best play Sidney Carton. And I suggested Daniel Day-Lewis.
56 posted on 01/10/2003 10:15:17 AM PST by Elenya
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Oh yeah! DDL *would* be NICE!! I had heard some rumor a few years ago about MEL GIBSON doing TOTC...prod/dirct/starring...I put him in the same category as Sean Bean though...the 50s are a bit too old for the part. I tend to agree that the actor would probably be best in his 30s, but late 20s is not too far off the mark. One thing I have noticed about British men is that they tend to look older than they really are...I would guess because so many of them are hard drinkers!!

carton, how can you say that Lij wont be able to pull off the 'haunted' look after doing Frodo???!!! I am blown away by how well that young man emotes. Just by his personality alone, he seems older than he really is. But, you know, he probably is *still* a bit too young...still, I have always pictured Darnay to be what Carton would be if things had worked out for him.

as for Carton's downfall, I would surmise its simply spending all his money on wine women and song...and eventually just wine.

57 posted on 01/10/2003 10:19:25 AM PST by Alkhin (One thing you have not found in your hunting and that's brighter wits!)
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To: Elenya
I'm not going for looks... I'm going for acting. And Roger Howarth can act. He's an extraordinary actor. (I teach acting... so good acting always stands out to me.)
58 posted on 01/10/2003 11:16:20 AM PST by carton253
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To: Alkhin
Well... I admire Elijah Wood's acting... I would not cast him for my version of the Tale of Two Cities. I don't think he would make a good Carton nor a good Darnay.

But Elijah is safe since the odds of me making the movie are 1,000,000,000,000 to 1.

59 posted on 01/10/2003 11:18:29 AM PST by carton253
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I'm not going for looks... I'm going for acting

Daniel Day-Lewis is handsome, but you can find handsome actors by the truckload. Very few however are outstanding actors. I was actually suggesting Daniel Day-Lewis because he just happens to be (in y book) the very best actor around.

As for Roger Howarth, I admit I'm prejudiced against soap actors/actresses, the majority of whom I consider very bad actors.

But you got a point: I never saw Roger Howarth act though and I shouldn't be prejudiced against him. I stopped watching soaps a long time ago because of the terrible acting, to say nothing of the plots. So I don't think I'll ever have the stomach to watch his soap, but maybe you can recommend something else he's done (besides soaps) so I can see for myself.

60 posted on 01/10/2003 12:05:57 PM PST by Elenya
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