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Spies close in on Saddam’s ailing terror mastermind
The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 11/16/03 | Richard Miniter

Posted on 11/15/2003 4:35:40 PM PST by saquin

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1 posted on 11/15/2003 4:35:40 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin
very interesting. ths for the post
2 posted on 11/15/2003 4:41:04 PM PST by camas
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3 posted on 11/15/2003 4:41:28 PM PST by dighton
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Kay said. The Iraqis had made shocking innovations in the milling and drying processes needed to weaponise anthrax.

Remember the post 9-11 anthrax was highly milled and that we didn't think Iraq had that refined capability.

4 posted on 11/15/2003 4:42:50 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: saquin
I hope they capture him so they don't have to give him any concessions. I want him terrified that we'll turn him over to the Kuwaitis, I want him to spill his guts.
5 posted on 11/15/2003 4:48:32 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: saquin
"He revealed that America had built a state-of-the-art base to interrogate prisoners near Baquba, north of Baghdad."

May it have a NO VACANCY sign out front!

6 posted on 11/15/2003 4:49:42 PM PST by No!
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To: AmericaUnited
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/rememberanthrax.html

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So whoever was responsible for last fall's bioterrorism wouldn't have needed to add silica to his anthrax powder at all. But he -- or she, or they -- might have had use for it while manufacturing that powder to begin with. Before they were kicked out of Iraq for good, U.N. weapons inspectors concluded that Saddam's military biologists were no longer relying on mechanical milling machines to render dried-out paste-colonies of anthracis bacteria into fine dust, but had instead refined a spray drying technique that produced the dust in a single step. And the suspected key ingredient in this Iraqi innovation, interestingly enough: pharmaceutical-grade silica, a common industrial drying agent.

4) But last fall's anthrax was milled mechanically, so it can't have come from Iraq, right?

We don't know that it was milled, really. Published reports conflict on this point, and those news accounts that do suggest the anthrax was milled invariably attribute the intelligence to federal investigators impressed by the super-granulated quality of the Leahy sample. In fact, evidently concerned that the Leahy letter might thus tend to confirm the Barbara Hatch Rosenberg conspiracy theory at its most rococo (i.e., that someone walked the anthrax straight out of a CIA lab), certain "government sources" have lately begun putting out word that the stuff was actually too good to be American. Two weeks ago, an item in Newsweek described a "secret new analysis" said to be circulating through high-level Washington, according to which analysis the Leahy letter's powder was "ground to a microscopic fineness not achieved by U.S. biological weapons experts." Researchers have found evidence of "intense milling," Newsweek explained: individual, free-floating anthracis spores, something our own government's scientists have "never seen" before.

But that's absurd. Individual, free-floating anthracis spores are what those scientists look at every day. And it's hardly a secret. During a December 15 Centers for Disease Control-sponsored conference on post-exposure prevention of inhalation anthrax -- you can find the transcript on CDC's website -- Dr. Louise Pitt of USAMRIID discussed in considerable detail how her colleagues at Ft. Detrick do their anthracis research. The spores, she said,

"are diluted to the desired concentration in sterile distilled water, water for injection. Our aerosols are extremely well characterized and defined. The particle size of the aerosol has a mass-meeting-aerosol diameter between .8 and 1.4 microns. That means that the aerosols that we are generating are basically single-spore aerosols. There's very, very little clumping of two spores. They are single-spore aerosols."

And remember, Ft. Detrick does not employ a mechanical milling process. Because, as it happens, people like Dr. Pitt have discovered much easier ways to make what our experts persist in calling the Leahy letter's "weapons-grade" anthrax: If they want it in a mist, they dilute the spores in water, as USAMRIID does. And if they want their anthrax dry, in a powder, they run it through what is essentially a very fancy flour sifter, a device commercially available throughout the world. This practice, too, has been specified in the open literature. A "Risk Assessment of Anthrax Threat Letters" published last year by Canada's Defence Research Establishment Suffield (DRES), for instance, was based on a bacterial specimen prepared in the "routine manner." Agar-grown cultures were dried into a "clumpy, undistinguished mess." And the mess was then filtered with a sifter, separating the largest chunks and leaving behind a final powder containing "a high proportion of singular spores."

Under a microscope, of course, singular spores, both milled and unmilled, look exactly the same.

7 posted on 11/15/2003 4:54:21 PM PST by tentmaker
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To: McGavin999; saquin; BOBTHENAILER; Ragtime Cowgirl; Pan_Yans Wife; Dog
Oh getting very interesting!

This together with the Weekly Standard revelation on the same weekend would be great!

If they could capture him, that is!

There was a little item on the Foxnews report from David Piper , a correspondant in Baghdad reporting a flyer found around the City saying that the Baathists had kicked Saddam out of the party altogether and were calling for a dialogue with the Coalition Forces !

8 posted on 11/15/2003 5:04:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis needs to get out of Arnoold's Office)
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Baathists had kicked Saddam out of the party altogether and were calling for a dialogue with the Coalition Forces !

Very interesting tid bit. Just was on this thread but didn't post anything. Things heating up it sounds like.

9 posted on 11/15/2003 5:06:56 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: saquin
The General among friends in a more relaxed atmosphere. - Tom
11 posted on 11/15/2003 5:21:09 PM PST by Capt. Tom (anything done in moderation shows a lack of interest -Capt. Tom)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Nothing yet on the FoxNews Website on the Baathists memo !

The defense department needs to give Fox some Bandwidth to Fax the Memo to Fox HDQTRS!

13 posted on 11/15/2003 5:24:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis needs to get out of Arnoold's Office)
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To: camas
He had recently learnt that Saddam had paid the North Koreans a $10m deposit for long-range missiles that could be adapted to carry chemical or biological weapons. Apparently the missiles were never delivered but North Korea kept the money.

Why those dirty dogs!

14 posted on 11/15/2003 5:38:25 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Badabing Badaboom
The big clue is not really the milling - it's the speciality chemicals used to coat the spores. If they have found the same chemicals in Iraq that were used on the Daschle anthrax - well, then it's all over.

Not really! I am certain that Daschle will vehemently deny any allegation that Iraq was responsible (after all... politics is more important!!!).

15 posted on 11/15/2003 5:48:15 PM PST by ExSES
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To: saquin
It appears that the intensity dial for the Iraq transition has been turned up a couple of notches in the last couple of weeks. Hopefully this will bring out even more good news in the near future.
16 posted on 11/15/2003 5:49:28 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Thud
Pay attention to Bremer's "rat line" remark.
17 posted on 11/15/2003 5:51:22 PM PST by Dark Wing
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If the negotiations are "secret", then why are we able to read about them?
18 posted on 11/15/2003 5:59:27 PM PST by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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This is also why we have the AQ/Iraq link announced now, and why it is so important that Iraq nation-building proceed on schedule. The time may soon be at hand to make Syria and Iran decide which way it will come down.
19 posted on 11/15/2003 6:00:02 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
Incredible...hope we hear more about this very soon.
20 posted on 11/15/2003 6:17:26 PM PST by TrebleRebel (If you're new to the internet, CLICK HERE.)
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