Make it a crime to be gay: Alliance MP

Vancouver Sun ^ | 11/27/03 | Peter O'Neil

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Whew, just reading this thread on Thanksgiving I see we have the usual gay guy here...

And, anyone who thinks that pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality needs to get their head examined.

Two words: Michael Jackson

[thoughtomator]

So you think a minor incident of harassment, however unpunished, is equatable with a system in which millions of men are legally severed from their own children and on top of that, forced to pay for the results of that severance?

You need a bit of perspective. A little titty-squeeze does not a second-class citizen make.

[Pedantic_Lady]

So you think a minor incident of harassment, however unpunished, is equatable with a system in which millions of men are legally severed from their own children and on top of that, forced to pay for the results of that severance?

No, that is simply one way in which women are made into second-class citizens in Britain. If you want more, I can surely provide much more anecdotal evidence from my own personal experiences, plus studies that show that the pay gap between men and women is increasing in Britain.

You need a bit of perspective. A little titty-squeeze does not a second-class citizen make.

Well, I hope I never work in the same office as you if you feel that sexual assault is no big deal.

[Calamari]

"He said one of those "facts" is that homosexuals, due to AIDS and other health problems, have a far lower life expectancy than straight men. (A search by The Vancouver Sun's library failed to find evidence supporting Spencer's statement.)"

They did not look very hard. The first paragraph is from Vancouver, British Columbia!

http://www.cathfam.org/Hitems/ShortLife.html
Short & Lethal Life-span

Consider:
From the British Columbia Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS, St Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, Canada:

"CONCLUSION: In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871. (emphasis added)" [International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol 26, 657-661}

Consider:
Excerpts from a report by the D.C. Family Research Council, citing dozens of experts and studies, including a study of some 5,200 obituaries, over five years, in 16 homosexual newspapers:

• Average age of men dying w/ AIDS is 39.

• The average age of homosexuals dying of all other causes, 41 (Average mafioso dies at 44).

• Only 1% lived to be 65 or older, as opposed to 80% for heterosexual men.

• Other studies have found only 3% of all homosexuals are over the age of 55.

While obituaries in the gay press focus on those out of the closet, they suggest that a homosexual "life-style" may cut two or three decades off one’s life expectancy.

According the FRC report, homosexual men are 3 times as likely to have abuse problems, 14 times more likely to have syphilis, 23 times more likely to contract any venereal disease, 5500 times (550,000%) more likely to contact AIDS.

Nor is the phenomenon restricted to males: "A compilation of recent studies shows that lesbians are 19 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had syphilis, twice as likely to suffer from genital warts, and four times as likely to have scabies".

TWO MAJOR STUDIES SHOW HOMOSEXUALITY / SUICIDE LINK

NEW YORK, Oct 19,99 (CWNews.com/LSN.ca) - Two extensive studies in this month’s issue of the AMA’s Archives of General Psychiatry confirmed a strong link between homosexual sex and suicide as well as a relationship between homosexuality and abnormal mental problems.

A study using 103 pairs of twins, one a practicing homosexual and the other not, found that homosexual behavior significantly increased the likelihood of suicide even after adjustments were made for substance abuse and depression. The practicing homosexual twin was over 5 times more likely to experience the suicidal symptoms. The study measured suicide risk in terms of the categories: "wanted to die," "suicidal ideation," "attempted suicide," and "thoughts about death." The study was unique for its thorough co-twin control design and its use of the most widely used instrument in psychiatric epidemiology, the Diagnostic Interview Schedule. The study report can found at (http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/issues/v56n10/full/yoa8085.html#a2)

A second study in the journal by David M. Ferguson and his team found that "gay, lesbian, and bisexual young people are at increased risk of psychiatric disorder and suicidal behaviors." Youths suffering from these disorders were four times as likely as their peers to suffer major depression, almost three times as likely to suffer generalized anxiety disorder, nearly four times as likely to experience conduct disorder, five times as likely to have nicotine dependence, six times as likely to suffer multiple disorders, and over six times as likely to have attempted suicide.

The study was based on a 21-year study of 1265 children born in Christchurch, New Zealand. Of 1007 subjects questioned only twenty-eight (2.8 percent) were classified as being gay, lesbian, or bisexual.

Click Here to Reach the cwnews.com web site

[thoughtomator]

Destroyed families, millions of enslaved men... doesn't bother you. A single incident of uninvited squeezing, now that's a pandemic.

Well, you've made a good case against women's suffrage, if nothing else.

[William Terrell]

. . ."true emancipation" begins "neither in the polls nor in the world's courtrooms," but "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul - in comparison with which everything else is small.

And, of course, as an extremely remote and unconnected benefit, the "gardener"' gets to eat the produce.

[Pedantic_Lady]

Destroyed families, millions of enslaved men... doesn't bother you. A single incident of uninvited squeezing, now that's a pandemic.

If you think that having to make child support payments turns you into a slave, you have a pretty f***ed up idea of what it means to be a father.

Well, you've made a good case against women's suffrage, if nothing else.

Thanks for confirming my suspicion that you are little more than a misogynistic troglodyte.

[thoughtomator]

I saw my own father as well as fathers of most of my schoolmates go through it, so I know exactly what it entails. The condition that the family courts impose on men is in fact true to the term slavery.

And if you think *I* am a misogynistic troglodyte then you are sure to be upset quite often as you read this forum. I'm pretty middle-of-the-road here. There are a number of women here who make excellent (and not by demonstration!) cases against female suffrage. And I'm pretty sure you will be hard pressed to find anyone to sympathize with your compressed breast trauma, especially when you're so flippant about a problem that is devastating families nationwide.

[Pedantic_Lady]

I saw my own father as well as fathers of most of my schoolmates go through it, so I know exactly what it entails. The condition that the family courts impose on men is in fact true to the term slavery.

Enlighten me, then. Tell me exactly how it fits the definition of slavery.

And if you think *I* am a misogynistic troglodyte then you are sure to be upset quite often as you read this forum. I'm pretty middle-of-the-road here. There are a number of women here who make excellent (and not by demonstration!) cases against female suffrage. And I'm pretty sure you will be hard pressed to find anyone to sympathize with your compressed breast trauma, especially when you're so flippant about a problem that is devastating families nationwide.

I guess it's a good thing I'm already married to a man who never implies that I shouldn't have a right to vote. Next thing you'll be telling me that foot binding makes women's feet dainty and erotic. I don't know anyone whose family was destroyed by divorce...and I grew up in the 80s, pal.

[thoughtomator]

You grew up in the 80s and didn't know anyone whose family was divorced? You must have grown up in a very small town. In my suburb it was over 50% by high school years.

Here's some reading about what the situation is like:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/keyword/familycourt

Check out the first one where the father can't even get custody when the mother was a convicted murderer. Does that qualify as second-class in your book? Sure does in mine.

[azhenfud]

"Christians who know that Christ loved the sinner,"

Christians who also know that Christ said in Matthew Ch.18 Vv. 15-17

"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."

We're to verse 17 already.

[kaylar]

Mr Spencer has been fired and Removed from the Caucus

Check out the National Post homepage-there's more articles on this story.

[Pedantic_Lady]

You grew up in the 80s and didn't know anyone whose family was divorced? You must have grown up in a very small town. In my suburb it was over 50% by high school years.

I wouldn't call Dallas a "small town."

Check out the first one where the father can't even get custody when the mother was a convicted murderer. Does that qualify as second-class in your book? Sure does in mine.

I think it's ridiculous to place a child with anyone who is a convicted felon; obviously if the mother is a convicted felon and the father isn't, the father should receive custody of the child. I have no position on who "should" receive custody or how custody issues should be resolved because I don't have children, I have only one friend who has children (and her son is only four months old), and I've never really known anyone who has had to deal with it...so I haven't really formed an opinion on it.

[Lazamataz]

Well, you've made a good case against women's suffrage, if nothing else.

I disagree. Women should be allowed to suffer.

[Calamari]

He said one of those "facts" is that homosexuals, due to AIDS and other health problems, have a far lower life expectancy than straight men. (A search by The Vancouver Sun's library failed to find evidence supporting Spencer's statement.)"

I was posting in response to the statement that I am now highlighting in bold italics.

The links I found were found in a less than a one minute Google search.

Taken at face value, the Vancouver Sun's statement would lead one to believe that no evidence exists. This statement is at least misleading. There were many more links that I did not post but I thought that it was ironic that one of the first sources of "evidence" was right there in Vancouver.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

the "studies" you repeat and repeat and repeat

I only posted this once, here in this thread. Don't exaggerate the facts.

Maybe you have me confused with another poster.

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