Tom Ridge's Immigration Remarks Draw Fire

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[Modernman]

The illegals already here should be made to gather all their earnings and assets and leave. Criminal invaders should not be rewarded.

Logistically and politically, that's never going to happen. Would you want to be the President who ordered the National Guard to round up illegal women and children at gunpoint?

What we can do is basically three-fold:

1) Shore up border security to minimize the flow of illegals over the border;

2) Focus heavily on assimilating all immigrants, whether legal or illegal, who are already here. Grant illegals some sort of amnesty conditioned upon them registering and passing citizenship courses etc.

3) Fine the hell out of any company that employs illegals. The dirty little secret that conservatives don't want to admit is that business owners, the vast majority of whom are Republicans, are the main reason illegals are here- the only reason there is a supply of illegals is because there is a demand for their services.

[TheAngryClam]

1.5 billion is chump change- that's about $6 per person in the United States.

Keep in mind that Bush just decided to give ten times that ammount to Africans to deal with AIDS.

And no. Mexico needs to get its own house together.

[Edmund Burke]

Sounds like you have been living in D.C. for too long.

[Mr. Mojo]

Fine the hell out of any company that employs illegals.

Those companies are the very ones that contribute mightily to the Republicrats' campaigns.

[Dane]

Sounds like you have been living in D.C. for too long

Never lived there my whole life. Visited a couple of times.

[Modernman]

Those companies are the very ones that contribute mightily to the Republicrats' campaigns.

Of course. They're essentially getting a subsidy from the rest of us- they hire illegals for cheap, provide no benefits and when the illegals get too old or too sick to keep working, they fire them and the rest of us have to pay for their health care.

We're all guilty- we get cheap produce, cheap housekeepers and nannies (and, of course, cheap prostitutes, in some cases) but at the same time we whine about what illegals are doing to this country.

[Mr. Mojo]

We're all guilty- we get cheap produce, cheap housekeepers

Well, my housekeeper is as American as apple pie, and I personally wouldn't mind paying much more for produce if the tradeoff was closing the border and deporting the existing illegals. As you mentioned, we end up paying in the long run anyway .....for their social services / health care.

[Mr. Mojo]

I think that if our distinctly American culture is to survive, we need to close our borders to all immigrants for the next 20 to 30 years, and work our tails off during that time at Americanizing our existing 3rd world populace. It's our only chance.

[TexasTransplant]

For starters, Congress should pass Tom Tancredo's proposal to deny federal funding for transportation to states that grant driver's licenses to illegals. Also, local communities that have illegal immigration sanctuary laws and accept the Mexican Matricular Consular card as a valid form of ID should be denied federal funds in Homeland Security. Overall, no federal funds for states that pander to illegals. The military needs to be patrolling at our borders as well.

 

That is an excellent path to take for those Blue areas on the map, (they worry about Federal Money) the red area is more independent they don't elect their polititicians on the basis on how much Federal money that they bring home.

 

I would suggest a much more basic approach that doesn't cost anything, leave States to their own devices - take less money in the form of Federal Taxes and let the States fix problems at a more local level, the migration will be towards or away from those States that are successful or unsuccessful in dealing with not only Immigration but Social Security Healthcare etc. etc. etc. 

 

I can see no other way to take our country back, we've got to take it away from the Federal Government.

[Modernman]

I think that if our distinctly American culture is to survive, we need to close our borders to all immigrants for the next 20 to 30 years

Not really necessary- Most immigrants who are here are already doing a pretty good job assimilating, despite the best efforts of liberals to Balkanize the country.

The US is pretty good at brain-draining the rest of the world, we should definitely keep it up.

[gipper81]

Ridge z RINO.

[Mr. Mojo]

Most immigrants who are here are already doing a pretty good job assimilating

I got a good look at that assimilation at a U.S. vs. Mexico soccer game at the L.A. Coliseum in the late 90's. Out of the 80,000 or so in attendance, I'd estimate about 70,000 were rooting for the Mexican team. The American national anthem was booed mercilessly, Mexican flags were waving furiously, and "urine bombs" were being tossed at both the American players and the few fans in attendance gutsy enough to cheer for the "home" team.

Some assimilation. Might as well have been in Tijuana.

[Bella_Bru]

Make California's Prop. 187 into federal law.

There is a new Prop 187 in the works, because the original was unfortunately torn to shreads.

[jmc813]

1500 miles at a minimum of $1,000,000 a mile, that's 1.5 billion for starters, without any maintenance costs.

Bush doesn't seem to have a problem with spending hundreds of times that on unconstitutional $hit, so why not?

[Joe Hadenuf]

I got a good look at that assimilation at a U.S. vs. Mexico soccer game at the L.A. Coliseum in the late 90's. Out of the 80,000 or so in attendance, I'd estimate about 70,000 were rooting for the Mexican team. The American national anthem was booed mercilessly, Mexican flags were waving furiously, and "urine bombs" were being tossed at both the American players and the few fans in attendance gutsy enough to cheer for the "home" team.

A poster on another thread suggested we are just helpless in this crisis. I guess it's time to roll over and go back to sleep....Or maybe watch a little TaVaaa.

[Mr. Mojo]

Yep, 1.5 billion is penny-ante. We give terrorist-sponsoring Egypt $2 billion/yr., an actual terrorist organization (the PA) $600 million/yr, and we're about to send $15 BILLION to Africa (ostensibly to fight AIDS). Do you think that perhaps a few of those billion$ would be better spent on our own national security?

[Dane]

Yep, 1.5 billion is penny-ante. We give terrorist-sponsoring Egypt $2 billion/yr., an actual terrorist organization (the PA) $600 million/yr, and we're about to send $15 BILLION to Africa (ostensibly to fight AIDS). Do you think that perhaps a few of those billion$ would be better spent on our own national security

I said a million dolars a mile. If it's $10 million a mile that becomes 15 billion. I have no idea how much it would cost. Also what about the Canadian border.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Does the 8-12 million illegal immigrants reported, Tommy Ridge's millions, include the estimated 3,000 members of Mara Salvatrucha-13 Paramilitary gangs from Salvador and Honduras invading and bring terror to the D.C. area--as reported yesterday in the news--with more on their way?

Maybe not, Mr. Director. Perhaps they got in line and received their USA visas legally at the embassies in San Salvador and Tegus.... /sarc

What a freaking disgrace! Everytime Bush does something that brings honor, such as his Thanksgiving visit to Baghdad, and gains my confidence, one of his cabinet members turns around and does something stupid and borderline seditious, that almosts forces me back into the Third Party, Throw Away Vote faction for 2004.

Somebody help me on this.

Fait d'accompli. Fait d'idiocie.

[TexasTransplant]

I said a million dolars a mile. If it's $10 million a mile that becomes 15 billion. I have no idea how much it would cost. Also what about the Canadian border.

"Snipers", very cost effective, about $.50 per problem and they advertise themselves.

(Was it Bill Cosby that was asked that now that his daughters are reaching dating age how was he going to deal with boys replied  "You kill the first one, then the word gets out")

 

[TheAngryClam]

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