Posted on 12/19/2003 11:26:43 PM PST by sixmil
My buddies and I had ourselves convinced that we were pretty tough hombres. In the middle of the day it was hot as Hades and dusty as a dirt road when this little old lady in white tennis shoes came strolling over the hill. She barely looked at us as she went by like she was in the city park. It sure cut down on our bragging.
Next time you are out, look up to the Dragoons. There are still Apaches in those hills. They have chosen to go back to the old ways. They can, but they won't, come in. This is the clash of the old and the new. Suburbs, and golf courses and lawns in Apacheria.
The laws of economics are not written by Congress. You could station a division in Cochise county and you might slow, but not stop, the influx. The best we can do would be to funnel them through approved entrypoints. Barring that they will keep coming. You can make your personal decisions based on that. It will not change.
You know the border. If you were desperate to get into Mexico could the border patrol keep you out?
I suggested that a Dem would have a possible issue if they chose to make a stand to see our borders controlled. Since Dems are made up of union leaders (rather than union members), lawyers and Hollywood dimbulbs--they would have little to lose by such a stand. I also think that they might find African American leadership who might even view such a step positively--
The reason that the GOP just smirks and ignores the requests of their constituency to see our laws enforced is that they don't HAVE to. Or so they think. Where are we going to go? They believe they can afford to shrug and enjoy the donations from the corporate interests that like lots of cheap and humble labor.
The day that somone like Dean appears before a union audience and hints around that he might just like to see our immigration laws enforced and labor protected--and then hears the audience burst into applause--
Think Rove might just wet his pants?
It could be a winning issue for the Dems.
But my real hope is that something, anything happens to make our side do the job.
If you want to stem this lawlessness, you must hit the employers of illegals. Hard.
In El Paso in the eighties, Women who wanted live-in maids for pocket change had to live in fear of getting their cars impounded and lost when they drove their maids around. While there was still illegal labor, every day it trickled across the Rio Grande, it was much better controlled because the law went after the employers. Today it is a flood. The legal residents and recent citizens were the ones most encourging enforcement because they had the most to lose by competing with what amounts to black market labor.
I happen to be in favor of the American tradition of generous immigration laws--I also believe that the country deserves stable and lawful and regulated immigration. I am fully against this recent scofflaw mentality--and I'd vote for anyone who stood to stop it.
From what I have read here, Bush doesn't seem to mind at all that business are feeling themselves pressured by competive forces to BREAK THE LAW.
Here's a letter to the editor that recalls what I remember Cesar Chavez trying to do when it comes to illegal immigration.
Re: "Holding the door open for immigrants," Nov. 25 Michelle Nijhuis op-ed column.
I wonder if Michelle Nijhuis realizes the harm the flood of Mexican immigrants does to our own poor. Is she telling unemployed Hispanics in Rio Arriba County, N.M., the poorest county in the nation, or Native Americans on reservations where unemployment is as high as 50 percent, that her only concern is for Mexico's poor?
I side with the late Cesar Chavez, who saw high immigration for what it was: a subsidy to big businesses for cheap labor and a hindrance to his efforts to get farm workers decent wages and safe working conditions. He even volunteered the United Farm Workers to help patrol the border.
He supported a 1986 mass amnesty only because he was promised that immigration would then be shut down. Since then, there have been seven more amnesties.
Obviously, Chavez was lied to. Farm workers, according to Department of Labor statistics, are paid less today than when he was alive.
CORINE FLORES,
Santa Fe, N.M.
12/02/02
Their need to relocate coincided with a rise of an American generation which looked down on manual labor and had no need to take those jobs because of the welfare state.There was/is a push/pull across the border. The quickening economy made employers desperate for people who would work.
I was an employer during the eighties and the INS was a joke then. Yes, there was a $10,000 fine for each illegal and even fines for misspelled words or minor mistakes or the wrong color of ink on an I-9. We made sure that all the paperwork was complete and up to date. If Scarlet O'Hara from Atlanta, Georgia came in with documentation then ol' Scarlet was laying brick the next morning with the rest of the guys. We questioned them all closely. Tiene un hermano? Tiene un amigo que quiere trabajo?
Las Vegas sucked up every illbred moron who could afford a bus ticket there from Dinksvills USA and put them to work. It wasn't enough. They went on to bigger and better things. The gap was filled by kids who walked or hitched a ride 1500 miles from home into a place they didn't know, where the people were hostile, where they didn't speak the language. Just for a chance to work.
Without these kids Las Vegas would still be a village with a Casino attached. The Strip would still be the listless, decaying, dowdy Garden of Human Foibles that it was becoming. This immigration is changing America, maybe for the worse, maybe not. It is what we are.
It seems to me that you were the one who wanted a Democrat President, if you'll check back on the thread. What are you doing over here?
Let me be the first to give you a clue. The illegals are not going back. The "tax-paying Americans" are not going to take anything back. If you get a job in construction it will be working for these guys. On the other hand you might make a good hotel maid.
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The Bushs are essentially space aliens from another solar system who live in distant seclusion with other such aliens in guarded social and business colonies designed to perpetuate the system of colonies. They know what makes their effete colony/class system work, but as far as knowing what makes this country work, they have no experience or real interest. They give the lower class suckers just enough soft soap to continue the system.
The live off freebies accumulated by their system without serious work or participation in solid effort. George senior was given position on boards of directors. George Jr. failed in his only attempted business and went from there to a series of highly paid figurehead positions and positions on boards of directors. Neil is being paid 6.4 million an an influence peddler for selling acceptance and investment in building mainland China. The Bushs, and those like them, have no real investment in this country. Their only knowlege and interest is in perpetuating the peculiar class system that feeds them.
I said we had less illegal immigration with a Democrat President and a Republican Congress than we do with a RINO in the White House. That's the truth.
I would vote for 4 more years of gridlock before I voted for another RINO.
You said a whole division couldn't stop illegal immigration in Cochise County.
You also implied Las Vegas would virtually be a ghost town without illegal immigration.
You're nuts, or drunk, or maybe both.
You're nuts, or drunk, or maybe both.
MM refuses facts. He is just alot of bull and spin. He never answered my post regarding 9/11 when people were not flying. Las Vegas almost went under then as the American customers were not flying. According to MM, Las Vegas should have had prosperity during this time period.LOL
The only people that benefit from illegals are greedy employers and I think MM is one of those. He is just trying to justify breaking the law.
Clinton did'nt make me paranoid, Bush does..
Will vote for him again.. Like I have a choice.?..
At least the demos have a choice between obvious traitor or less obvious traitor, the thought of a steath traitor has switched me from the cheap brand of tinfoil to the most expensive I can fnd, but I still feel deep down the government can read my mind ANYWAY.... like their going to find anything useful there.!.. Bwahahaha..
signed: Tinfoil Caps R US....
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To hell with the truth. Crackpot blind high school group-think and group-belonging identification is all that counts.
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