Posted on 12/27/2003 3:08:49 PM PST by Federalist 78
I've read your replies. I gave you an F+...You said the above after I wrote the following:
You flamed out and turned out not to be a worthy opponent. I'm sadly disappointed...
Now I'm leaving so you can claim victory to your friends and continue your crusade...
Unamerican, intellectually dishonest, and fanatical. I leave you to your crusade.
And in all that:To: breakemTake notes.Thanks, but I only take notes from credible sources.
I deal with issues on an issue by issue basis.
Hey, we have something in common. What you seemed to have missed, though, is the issues all have a common theme: homosexuality. And those of us who have dealt with the issues have decided to work smarter and gather all the information we can to make informed, educated and intelligent statements on the issues.
Someone supports a homosexual serving in the military and one of you comes along and posts the agenda and calls the person an apologist, gaystopo member or some such propaganda label.
Perhaps you should stop looking like a duck.
What you never comment on is the health hazards of the homosexual lifestyle. AIDS targets homosexual behavior, tainting the blood supply with a deadly contagious virus. Knowing this, and on this issue alone, why you think homosexuals should serve in the military is baffling.
To: breakemThe problem is you are incapable of dealing with issues separately because you have dedicated yourself to fighting the agenda.You apparently don't see or don't agree with the bigger picture as we see it. That doesn't mean anything other than we disagree. Yet everything we say is supported by numerous sources and everything you say is supported by you and you alone. I prefer many sources stating the same thing over anything you say without a single supporting reference.
We see the bigger picture.
To: breakemYou are slamming an entire group, millions of people, because of an agenda some extremists push. In the US we believe in individual rights and responsibilities. Not excoriating people because someone like them is extreme.Nice try but I'm not slamming anybody. I'm stating facts from sources you don't even attempt to refute. AIDS discriminates against homosexual behavior. That's a fact.
To: breakemLast time I looked, blacks commit an inordinate amount of murder per capita. Now we can yell all day about how violent blacks are or we can treat them as individuals so that the guy down the street can live peacefully and not have to worry about you shouting murderer when he leaves the house.Last time I looked, blacks couldn't stop being blacks while thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle. You're always building then attacking a straw man argument.
To: breakemRESEARCH. You pride yourselves in your links to various studies and research. S says I can’t refute it with evidence.You haven't so far. You haven't even tried.
I mentioned a quote that lj used and the 73% child molester study you guys link to. I have asked questions about each. If you can’t answer questions about the study or the quote then it doesn’t stand up.
We've answered your questions but you either don't like the answers or stop responding.
You’re just using numbers because you can throw them on these threads and superficial people will adopt them. You are being intellectually dishonest.
I don't use numbers. I've researched the issue myself and believe what I post is accurate. You have never refuted anything. I don't know how may times I've said this: Once you've demonstrated something I've posted is incorrect I'll stop posting it.
To: breakemIn order for research to be useful it has to be reliable and valid. Reliability means that the results have been repeated in subsequent trials, preferably by other independent sources. Validity means it was executed with proper formalities, supported by objective truth, and has the power to overcome doubt. The ones I’ve seen so far do not meet either of these standards and your inability to answer simple questions does not invite the questioner to read more studies.The ones [you've] seen? Get specific. Which study?
That wasn't much of a dance - you just walked like a duck.
In order for research to be useful it has to be reliable and valid. Reliability means that the results have been repeated in subsequent trials, preferably by other independent sources.
Considering that huge number of articles quoting many studies - often studies done by homosexual activists themselves - your complaint is unfounded. You just don't agree with the result. Too bad. Tough luck.
Plus there's a difference between sutdying groups of people and what they do, and scientific trials where people, for instance, take certain medicines. You are mixing your scientific concepts here.
Validity means it was executed with proper formalities, supported by objective truth, and has the power to overcome doubt.
Well, nothing can overcome your doubt because you are determined to cling to the idea that homosexuality is benign. But the facts don't agree with your ideas.
The ones I’ve seen so far do not meet either of these standards
In your own mind only, and in the minds of those who are promoting the homosexual agenda.
Yep. I tore your arguments apart. What you don't understand is that by denigrating the facts, by calling us names, playing all your games and never, once, providing any information to support what you say, you are supporting the homosexual agenda. That's what this is all about.
You are being inconsistent. You are saying you don't support the homosexual agenda in one post, and then attack and try to denigrate the facts and those who post them, tell us we're wrong and never provide any information to rebut anything we've said. You don't even talk about the health hazards of the homosexual lifestyle, nor the tainted blood, nor the blood issues in the military - you just ignore the major issues.
See 67. You are inconsistent.
He apparently gets a mental or emotional block and can't put the two together. If he could legitimately rebut what we say I'd stop posting it, but he only responds by trying to denigrate the facts and anybody who posts them.
Immeasurables, such as how he feels about something isn't even a rebuttal, let alone legitimate.
Saying that you "know" homosexuality to be genetic, and to "know" that homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals, is like saying that you "know" the sun to really be flat like a plate because that's how it looks to your eyes.
Your approach to logic is faulty. According to your logic path any course of study that doesn't lead to your prechosen result is incomplete study. That is invalid and circular logic.
In my case one of the examples I use is extremely valid because my cousin's and my own gentic make-up and environments are so similar. We are almost double cousin's. Our mothers are sisters and our fathers are half brothers. We were both raised in good homes on farms about 1/4 mile from each other. We are the same age, both male, went to the same schools, attended the same church and had the same group of friends. The only difference is in the quarter of the family tree we do not share. One of his uncles (that I do not share) who lived over a thousand miles away was homosexual and a concert musician. My cousin is strictly homosexual and a concert musician. I can't carry a tune in a bucket and am strictly hetrosexual.
Our environments were identical yet we are polar opposites sexually. The only difference is in the portion of our genetic material that we do not share. As far as I'm concerned that's a strong indication for a genetic cause.
That's proof enough for me.
As far as the supposed inclination for homosexuals to be child molesters in greater numbers than hetrosexuals is concerned I have never encounterd any homosexuals attempting to molest a child. Although that does provide conclusive evidenece of any kind it also does not seem to support your claims that homosexuals are raving sex maniacs.
That's too bad as it's not even proof enough for homosexual activists. Scientists who are homosexual activists say just the opposite of what you say. Read the links I provided.
I am 53 years old and in my experience the general trend of society during my life time has been toward the acceptance of homosexuality. I see no reason why that trend will not continue in the future. Since the current younger generations are already more accepting of homosexuals than my generation ever was or will be I see no reason to believe that the trend will not intensify in the future.
Secondly, the overwhelming majority of young folks are woefully ill informed no matter the issue. It is high time that this issue is openly debated and all possible ramifications to liberalizing, read redefining, marriage be placed on the table for one and all to ponder upon.
I agree but I don't see how that will reverse the trend toward the inclusion of homosexuals in normal society. In fact I think it will speed their inclusion.
Thirdly, young people, as a rule, don't vote. Whether that is good or bad is up to the individual's to decide but it is none the less true.
Not until they get older; that is why I state that the change will take twenty or thirty years.
At least you were the one making sense.
I'm really trying not to stoop to his level and just stick to the facts. I would hope the lurkers see his tactics for what they are.
Not only were a great number of the Nazi elite, as well as much of the rank and file, homosexuals, but their very philosophy was based on a pseudo-mystical mix of racial superiority, phony Teutonic mythology, ersatz "aryan" brotherhood, with a foundation of homo-erotic Greco-militarism.
Add to that connection the Goebbels-like propaganda methods that homosexual activists are shoving down peoples' throats, and utter intolerance (indeed, edging towards criminalization) of legitimate dissent, and VOILA! Homo-fascism.
Your fears are irrational.
Here 'tis:
The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game...Or for a lot more:
Homosexual Agenda and ManipulationNow I'm gone...
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