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Tax Time - A Question for Tax Savvy Freepers...
02.02.04 | mlmr

Posted on 02/02/2004 5:31:11 PM PST by mlmr

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To: paul51
I can no longer afford it.
61 posted on 02/02/2004 8:28:47 PM PST by mlmr (Taxation with greedy representation is not a good thing)
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To: mlmr
I've seen something about a Willie Nelson doll giving tax advice ...

As long as you and your brother are on good terms, this should resolve itself with only a little pain.

Also, everything that your father owned becomes the "estate" upon his passing. I would create a paper trail showing how you and your brother paid off debts to avoid ongoing interest, and then file for reimbursement from your father's estate. Basically, send the trustee a bill. Don't forget mileage and the 37 cent stamp.
62 posted on 02/03/2004 12:45:14 AM PST by texas booster (Make a resolution to better yourself and your community in '04 - vote Republican!)
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To: mlmr

Go to Google or Ask Jeeves for that phone number, or contact fleet.com on-line.
63 posted on 02/03/2004 1:02:01 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Young Werther
Married taxpayers generally may not file as head of household. They may file a jooint return or as married filing separately. The only exceptio is if they qualify as an "abandoned spouse." To do so, the couple must not have lived together for the last six months of the year and the abandoned spouse must have a dependent child.
64 posted on 02/03/2004 2:56:33 AM PST by TheCPA (Co-author of Tax Stategies for the Self-Employed)
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To: mlmr
Why would it be treated like a loan? What would he repay me? I don't understand

I don't have all the facts from this situation and I am merely looking for potential problems more than potential solutions because of the nature of this forum.

Whenever you give money to someone (which includes paying their debts) that you are not legally required to give them, you can be considered to have given a gift. When a gift exceeds 11,000 to anyone person you are making a potentially taxable gift. I am mostly bringing these issues up so that the casual reader might be alerted to the problem that could occur in structuring transactions like you mentioned without competent adivse. In all likelihood, the amounts are small enough that they would avoid being considered a taxable gift.

If, I understand that only one distribution from the IRA was made to you and you split the proceeds then a couple of things have occurred. First, you have your portion of the IRA and gave 1/2 to your brother. The monies you gave him were yours to keep and therefore the money given him could be considered to be a gift. Further, you and your brother have no immediate obligation to cover a debt of your fathers estate. Absent any other motive, the amounts you paid could also be considered a gift to his estate.

The reason I mentioned loans was that by documenting the transactions with bona-fide loan, you to your brother for his 1/2 and both your brother and you to the estate is that otherwise it could be assumed that you in essence gifted 15k to the estate by paying off the loan. The amount you gave to your brother was essentially a step transaction, or in other words he was acting as a conduit for you to accomplish a gift of 15k that exceeded the gift tax exclusion of 11k. Using loans that get repaid at the final close out, would avoid any semblance of a gift and out everyone back to where they would have been had you not paid the debts of your father.

65 posted on 02/03/2004 4:56:50 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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I had a CPA do our return for the past 16 years and it ran between 1200 and 1500 per year. I cannot afford this.

Depending on the complexity of the disbursement, for a simple single question like this it could be as little as an hour's work, around $100. Cheap peace of mind. Our accountant does our taxes yearly for between $300 and $700.

66 posted on 02/03/2004 5:19:31 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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I think I will have to talk to a CPA and my brother. I have no idea who is the trustee of the account. I live in another state and my brother has been handling everything. I wasn't involved at all.

67 posted on 02/03/2004 6:52:13 AM PST by mlmr (Taxation with greedy representation is not a good thing)
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To: TheCPA
My point, exactly.

When the taxpayer signs the 1040 form or the E-File form where a pin is transmitted in lieu of the signature, the statement begins

"Under the Penalty of Perjury......to the best of my ability all the facts are true and correct"

When HR Block counsels taxpayers to adopt this tactic they are suborning perjury!

The preparer signs and is subject to the same penalties. It's illegal!

68 posted on 02/03/2004 5:50:38 PM PST by Young Werther
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