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Former Homosexual: 'Gay Marriage is a Counterfeit and Fraud'
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Posted on 02/05/2004 6:57:16 AM PST by chance33_98

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To: tcuoohjohn
Judeo-Christanity begin with Abraham's birth in Ur about 2000-1800 BCE

Almost correct, but...

It actually would date to YHWH's covenant with Abram.

In reality, Yahwist & Elohist cults predate Abrahamic Judaism, just as Judaism predates Christianity. Used in this sense, the original poster would be loosely correct; and no more incorrect than your own assertion.

81 posted on 02/05/2004 3:22:09 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a politician hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created so much rope.)
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later
82 posted on 02/05/2004 3:30:41 PM PST by independentmind
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping!

Will read later. Info certain not to be found in the mainstream media. To liberal/leftist homo-promoters, the very idea of being "ex-gay" is like a silver cross, stake, and garlic to a vampire.

If you want on or off this ping list, pingify me and your will shall be done!
83 posted on 02/05/2004 3:35:59 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ApplegateRanch
not really...Yahwist and Elohist cults were most noted arround 800 BC long after Abraham. Of course in the battle of heretics Yahwists and Elohists claimed a longer lineage. There is no evidence to support their " proto- judaic" claims.
84 posted on 02/05/2004 3:39:34 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: tcuoohjohn
BS. I am a former alcoholic. I am not a non-practicing alcoholic. I am a former drug user, not a non-practicing drug user. I am a former libertine, not a non-practicing libertine.

Your bias towards the "gay" agenda is showing.
85 posted on 02/05/2004 3:39:47 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ffusco
Actually the numbers have been fudged for a long time. 50% of the TOTAL marriages end in divorce (roughly). But that includes the marriages of people who have previously divorced. First marriages have a lower percentage rate of divorce. So if the numbers are about actual people and not mulitple marriages, it is much better than it looks.
86 posted on 02/05/2004 3:43:09 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: tcuoohjohn
You state:

A homosexual is a homosexual. A homosexual who doesn't engage in homosexual acts is a celibate homosexual not a heterosexual.

Please back that up with facts. Since there are many studies showing that people do indeed change, such as the article here, please put up links or articles proving your point.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not entitled to be right.

87 posted on 02/05/2004 3:45:33 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
okay...then prove your point. Go out an buy a bottle of your favorite whiskey and drink some of it and see if you are " a former alcoholic"

You get my point.

The gay agenda?..I could care less. Gays are kinda like indians. You know they exist and you may even see them from time to time. But all in all gays are pretty much irrelevant to the lives of straight folks. They are only important or significant if you choose to make them significant.
88 posted on 02/05/2004 3:46:08 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: little jeremiah
Pretty much self-explanatory isn't it?
89 posted on 02/05/2004 8:44:52 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: meandog
Polygamy in the Arab world?...Well, yes partly but not necessarily exclusively Arab.

You probably meant the Muslim world, of which many are Arabs but certainly the minority.. There are probably millions of Arab Christians who consider polygamy to be as degrading as anyone. Polygamous marriage is a Muslim phenomenon...with many tribal societies adhering to it as well.

90 posted on 02/05/2004 8:51:49 PM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent)
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To: tcuoohjohn
What's self-explanatory? The fact that you are happy to have an opinion, but can't/won't/haven't shown any evidence to back it up?

BTW, I USED to be an acoholic. Why was I an alcoholic? Because I drank to excess, routinely, and uncontrollably, to the extreme detriment of my health, safety and those around me.

I am NOT an alcoholic any more. Why? Becuase I no longer drink alcohol at all, don't want to, aren't tempted to, can comfortably refuse alcohol, can stay in a house with alcohol in it and not worry about it, etc.

Drinking alcohol to one's detriment is a choice. Some people have a harder time making the right choice, some have an easy time. I used to always make the wrong choice, now I always make the right choice.

Similarly, everyone has a choice about whether to gratify their sexual impulse with a member of the opposite sex or a member of the same sex. It's an easy decision for some of us, and a harder choice for others. But it is always a choice, and it is documented that people who are attracted to members of the same sex can often change their orientation, if they want to.

You can not believe that if you don't want to, but the facts are on my side.
91 posted on 02/05/2004 9:16:37 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
A true non-alchoholic can have a cocktail at a party and then leave it alone. Can you? Can you drink socially?
92 posted on 02/05/2004 9:37:20 PM PST by PayrollOffice
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To: little jeremiah
A true non-alchoholic can have a cocktail at a party and then leave it alone. Can you? Can you drink socially?
93 posted on 02/05/2004 9:42:15 PM PST by PayrollOffice
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To: little jeremiah
Sorry about the double post....
94 posted on 02/05/2004 9:43:47 PM PST by PayrollOffice
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To: Guillermo
Any homosexual male may legally wed any willing, single female, whis is the exact same right as I have.

What sane, single woman would want to marry an openly homosexual male??

95 posted on 02/05/2004 9:51:39 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: PayrollOffice
I have taken a vow not to drink alcohol or take drugs, so I wouldn't drink one drink or smoke one joint. Not because I am afraid I would "backslide", but because of a promise. Although, about 20 years ago I backslid and smoked some weed. Not only was I not tempted to do so again, the effects were not attractive to me anymore. It was not getting "high", it was getting "low".

I am not an alcoholic that just doesn't imbibe, nor am I am drug user that just doesnt use. I used to be.
96 posted on 02/05/2004 11:05:44 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
So, how did you kick it? Did you do it on your own or through therapy, 12-step, religious insight, or what?
97 posted on 02/05/2004 11:14:11 PM PST by PayrollOffice
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To: PayrollOffice
A long story - but religious conversion would do. Involving meditation as well. No therapy. I actually had various therapies as a teenager (early drinker) and didn't do a damn bit of good.

I have heard that 12 step programs are helpful to many people though.
98 posted on 02/05/2004 11:19:37 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Nothing works for me, so far. I love to drink, although I see many reasons to stop. All I can ask is that the desire be taken away. Nothing seems to work.

Don' t get me wrong; I'm not out of control, as I keep a family and a job. It's just that things could be better. Or could they?

99 posted on 02/05/2004 11:30:58 PM PST by PayrollOffice (Please pray for me and my family.)
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To: PayrollOffice
Things can always be better! I will admit I did a lot of praying at that time, but it wasn't about that specific problem, it was a more generalized prayer of desperation about everything.

There is a reason for pain in the world, it is a great teacher. Most of us will stagnate were it not for pain of some kind of another. Even just mental pain is often a spur that pushes us in a better direction.

On another note - acupuncture can do a lot of things. I have had it for years here and there, and it has helped where regular medicine could not. If you actually want to change your drinking habits, you might be able to find a competent acupuncturist who might be of assistance. I know they can help with smoking, and that is a hard habit to break. (used to do that, too!)

Good night and good wishes.
100 posted on 02/05/2004 11:40:10 PM PST by little jeremiah
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