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Neanderthals Matured Faster Than Modern Man -Study
Science - Reuters ^ | 2004-04-28 | Patricia Reaney

Posted on 04/28/2004 12:57:48 PM PDT by Junior

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To: em2vn
Gradual transformation? If anything the fossil evidence that you site presents a per saltum development that was the original position of Darwin.

You were expecting what, movie frames? Not realistic, although it is observed here and there (see Smooth Change in the Fossil Record), mostly in oceanic sediments which have experienced continual depostion across millions of years. The continents have been subject to plate tectonics, periods of depostion separated by long periods of erosion which guarantee a very "gappy" record.

The fossil evidence that I cite is exactly what evolution would create in the plate-tectonic continental-drift geology that we now know the Earth has had. It is a strawman to pretend that anything else is to be expected. You continue to try to erect and knock down this strawman. Not very convincing.

By comparision, no alternative model--"saltational" or other--of which I'm aware accounts for why a certain lineage of reptiles called synapsids should over a period of maybe 100 million years transform into something recognizeable as early mammals. It's nice and gradual. Genesis doesn't mention anything like it. Creationists just look at it and say "But where are the intermediate forms between that one and that one and that one and that one and that one and that one ...?"

Silly lawyering games! You don't like the evidence, so you take your ball and go home. Well, boo hoo! Your failure to understand isn't proof of anything.

You seek to leap millenias of millenia to arrive at a conclusion that can't support the gap of time and evidence. Seeking to discount a lack of fossil evidence that may bridge gaps as much as 450 million years is pure faith,not science.

I have given you plenty of material that says science and the fossil record are in accord. You respond with continued unsupported assertions that they are not. What are you babbling about above? Please put up or shut up.

Darwin predicted nothing,he specualted by relying heavily upon the works of Edward Blyth,Charles Lyell and Alfred Wallace for his theories.

It's too late to worry about how Darwin wrote his book in any event, but your "facts" here are wrong. Darwin was in front of everyone on the mechanisms of evolution. Others had recognized that evolution occurs, yes. It's not that hard to see if you're not a cretinist. Darwin and Wallace independently arrived at the mechanism of variation plus natural selection, but Darwin was definitely first. He just took his time getting published and was nearly scooped by Wallace.

To say that Darwin relied on Wallace when anyone familiar with the subject knows that he anticipated him by a decade or more is to reveal serious problems with yourself as a source. How is one to interpret such a statement? You're either profoundly ignorant of what you say, or you feel licensed to lie. In either case, your performance is abysmal. If you don't know this stuff, why don't you take some time to find out before embarrassing yourself?

Honestly produced biographical information is available everywhere. If you rely on creationist sources, your posting experience here is going to be a stream of embarrassments.

You may be comfortable with a speculative theory that presents millions of years of void as its basis. I chose not to be so enraptured simply to oppose another point of view.

You are clearly uncomfortable with mainstream science--not just biological evolution but most of geology and paleontology--because of your religious convictions. The biggest joke in this discussion is that you understand anything about science or even history.

81 posted on 04/29/2004 1:41:36 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: balrog666
Isn't it interesting how some creatidiots thnk that if Darwin beat his kids it somehow means something about the validity of Theory of Evolution?

Reveals a lot about the mindset here that they think attacking Darwin (d. 1881) is going to change anything in 2004. The way science works, he was only the first Darwinist.

The way religion works, it makes sense. Attack the Prophet, his revealed word is discredited. But Darwin isn't the Prophet. He's just the first person to point out something, a thing for which a lot more evidence has been unearthed since he died than he ever saw in his day.

82 posted on 04/29/2004 1:46:25 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
I'll pass on the Darwin personality cult.
Darwin was coentaneous to the authors I cited, but he was in no way ahead of them. His work in total was a follow on to their works on gradualism. There is in fact substantial, documented evidence that Darwin was so tardy in producing his work because he was a simple plagiarist.
The first edition of "Origins" is suspect because of the dearth of acknowledged sources. Later edition's acknowledgements are suspect due to their lack of completeness.
Furthermore, Darwins shoddy handling of the Darwin finch samples taking during the voyage of Beagle puts any of his work in question. His gathering techinques were so lax that he was unable to determine from which island each sample was taken.
You declare, faulty lawyering on the part of creationists. Please be consistent. I would question any theory that seeks to move from point number one to a point seven figures away without any supporting evidence.
You willingly accept that life forms were born and died for milllions of years without a fossil record of their existence being left behind. In addition is the belief that a fossil record separated by millions of years somehow ties together a start point and an end point. At that time there should have been massive fossil evidence created. However, such a bounty is not now nor has it ever been available.

83 posted on 04/29/2004 3:31:39 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Your post 83 is so full of the sort of fallacies of irrelevance and hopelessly unsupportable assertions pointed out already that it was self-discrediting of you to make it.
84 posted on 04/29/2004 3:43:06 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
I believe you are incorrect. I also believe that we will continue to disagree over the point. You have staked out your position and I have staked out mine.
85 posted on 04/29/2004 4:57:16 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn
You're a funny guy! You like big, important sounding words but your spelling is only at the 5th grade level. Even worse, your logic wouldn't cut the mustard in the 3rd grade.

Now that I think about it, you're just sad.

86 posted on 04/29/2004 6:02:59 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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Sad you say? Not really, rather contented and comfortable. You are correct.I'm sure I can always improve my spelling.
Are there some big,important words I can explain to you? I will be glad to even if I do it with poor spelling.By the way, what is a big, important word? At what level does a word become big. When does one become important?
I think that all words when used properly are big and important since they convey ideas. If you determine a word is big and important because you don't know its meaning, tis the pity on your part.
The English language, both the British and the American versions, is a beautiful language full of precise meanings and clarity. Enjoy it.
87 posted on 04/29/2004 7:19:39 PM PDT by em2vn
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Not a ping, just a GGG update.
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88 posted on 01/16/2005 7:05:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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89 posted on 03/20/2006 9:49:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: Junior; metmom; DaveLoneRanger

Does this explain why the kids over at Darwin Central want to be considered adults?


90 posted on 02/21/2008 3:45:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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