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Last widow of Civil War Vet dies
AP via Guardian (UK) ^ | 5/31/04 | Philip Rawls

Posted on 05/31/2004 1:03:21 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper

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To: Destro

I loved the South Park episode where Cartman gets the south to march to Washington and form a new CSA. It is hilarious....and Clinton just caves in...lol.


61 posted on 05/31/2004 10:18:28 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Destro

Well, the south has only become staunchly Republican within the last decade or so I think.


62 posted on 05/31/2004 10:19:45 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Physicist

Reconstruction was still pretty darn hard on the South....grudges lasted awhile due to the treatment even then.

I think all of this plays a role, but I think the root lies in social cleavages (see post 60).


63 posted on 05/31/2004 10:22:08 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Old Sarge
"I was told it was a passable work of historical fiction."

No, it isn't. It's entertaining, but it subtly tries to portray nineteenth century people with twentieth century psychological problems. Read it and you'll see what I mean.

64 posted on 05/31/2004 10:23:17 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely (Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria)
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To: Destro; wardaddy; dixiechick2000; WKB; bourbon

Destro, it is my opinion that the South
is saving the Union from the democrats.

wardaddy wrote and asked: "We respect healthy eccentricity down here. It's my life's goal. How am I doing?"

LOL! Mighty fine, IMO.
As for me, I am fixing to become
a Southern Belle deluxe, along the lines
of dck2. :)

bourbon and WKB, you two are true Southern Gentlemen,
and you are too wardaddy.


65 posted on 05/31/2004 10:24:02 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

66 posted on 05/31/2004 10:29:43 PM PDT by nutmeg (Land of the Free - Thanks to the Brave)
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To: onyx; dixiechick2000; wardaddy; bourbon

bourbon and WKB, you two are true Southern Gentlemen,
and you are too wardaddy.


I'm not real sure about Bourbon yet.
He's a might young to be a Real SG
maybe in few years after a few more chilun


67 posted on 05/31/2004 11:03:59 PM PDT by WKB (3!~ What we need is more "Christianity in politics" and less "Politics in Christianity")
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Her May-December marriage in the 1920s
They were married on Dec. 10, 1927, and 10 months later had a son, William.

Well, which is it? A shotgun wedding, or a son born a comfortable ten months after the wedding?

68 posted on 05/31/2004 11:26:33 PM PDT by GretchenM (No military in the history of the world has fought so hard and so often for the freedom of others.-W)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
The state government considered Martin's record clean enough to award him a Confederate pension in 1921 and to give Alberta Martin Confederate widow's benefits in 1996.

What was the rush to get her the widow's benefits? (1996! I wonder if that really is the pension award date?)

69 posted on 05/31/2004 11:29:10 PM PDT by GretchenM (No military in the history of the world has fought so hard and so often for the freedom of others.-W)
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To: Physicist; SouthernFreebird; wardaddy; DallasMike; Husker24; rwfromkansas

I guess it boils down to the fact that many White Southerners did not feel loyalty to or like the Slave owning landed class much and were not about to fight a guerilla war to restore back a rich man's ex-slave or plantation. They were willing to fight for States Rights and after the war and Reconstruction they got just that so the animosity to the Union died down and the thirst of the next Southern generation to revenge the loss went with it. It does seem to make sense that "terrorist" groups in the South were formed during Reconstruction and were repudiated and died down as Reconstruction was lifted. That sound about right?


70 posted on 05/31/2004 11:59:23 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Old Sarge

I got a copy and at first it was interesting but the author began not-so-subtly interweaving his own weird fantasies and beliefs into the story halfway through.

It was just too bizarre, agenda-driven, and sleazy for me to finish.


71 posted on 06/01/2004 12:07:49 AM PDT by petuniasevan (If I wanted to read Portnoy's Complaint I would have checked THAT book out.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Since Nixon and his Southern strategy.


72 posted on 06/01/2004 12:09:42 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

Interesting thoughts......may be right there.


73 posted on 06/01/2004 8:00:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: wardaddy; onyx; WKB; bourbon

"We respect healthy eccentricity down here. It's my life's goal. How am I doing?"



I'd say you are well on your way to success. A little "healthy eccentricity" is probably the singular thing that keeps the South interesting, and sets us apart from the rest of the country. True, other parts of the country have their eccentrics, but none so grand as ours. With us, it's a way of life, and we're proud of our eccentrics. I strive for it, myself.


"As for me, I am fixing to become
a Southern Belle deluxe, along the lines
of dck2. :)"


Well, I'll swan, onyx. That's one of the nicest
compliments ever paid to me. Thank you so much. ;o)


And, onyx, I agree with you...WKB, wardaddy, and
bourbon are all Southern Gentlemen in the truest
sense.


74 posted on 06/01/2004 8:43:59 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Destro

Yes ...that is about right.

Also most Southern military leadership led by Robert E Lee urged surrender and no taking the war to guerrila levels. there were a few that desired continuing but it never gained any footing.

Reconstruction did indeed produce actions whose merits are debated to this day...LOL..boy howdy are they, but after the Union occupation ended and rights were restored to white Southerners...that ended too at least as a quasi-insurgency movement.

Birth of a Nation days was actually more of a midwest rather than southern movement.


75 posted on 06/01/2004 9:00:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: billorites

Well ah declah.

Y'all mus' be one o' dem wisecrackin' Yankees.


76 posted on 06/01/2004 12:03:36 PM PDT by martin_fierro ( Me too! <|:)~)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

My great-great grandfather fought in the civil war and had a testicle shot off. He still had one good one left and managed to father four children after the war.


77 posted on 06/01/2004 1:33:09 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Mortimer Snavely; Old Sarge; petuniasevan

I liked this novel. It met my literary standards. I also felt that I was getting, secondhand, someone's real reminiscences. I still quote from the widow: "Never throw anything away" (about the present-day value of Confederate currency). She also remarks on how good-looking the Confederate soldiers invariably were in those photographs you see. But also notes that one out of every two couldn't talk straight in those days (not exact quote)--before the days of speech therapists in the public schools, which she doesn't say. I will read it again sometime, and very few books will I do that to.


78 posted on 06/01/2004 2:30:22 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: VadeRetro

The Federal Government has NEVER paid pensions to Confederate Veterans. Their pensions were paid by their respective states.


79 posted on 06/01/2004 2:49:38 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861

True, as mentioned in the article. My bad. Still, a goverment and its citizens were still paying the price of the Civil War until just now. The Federal Government paid its last widow's benefit only last year.


80 posted on 06/01/2004 2:54:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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