perhaps something like this?
Posted on 06/01/2004 6:09:40 PM PDT by mdittmar
Edited on 06/02/2004 11:44:22 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
duely noted! And empathizing!
Yeah, but I posted to hastily, should have taken more time to revue, better judgement told me the info wasn't what I thought it was, will look twice next time.
That sounds suspiciously like the voice of experience :-) :-)
It certainly is! It's one of the reasons I lurked for two years. All of the intelligence gathered here can be quite intimidating!
AQ fried a bunch of Jewish tourists in Morocco this way.
damn.......
One of my most vivid memories is a fire at a house in the country when I was a little girl. As we drove by it, the propane tank exploded. The sound, and the fireball shooting so high into the air just terrified me. I have never forgotten it, and have been scared of propane since then.
I'm just thinkin' they plan on hitting a bunch of targets at once. They do seem to have a fixation on apartments. Padilla agreed to blow up apt. buildings via gas leaks.
A packed mall would give a huge density of persons who are unable to flee, and easy access deep into the interior for a truck going at near full speed down the parking lot and into the concourse. The interior location would contain the offgassing liquid, and a minute later, BOOM. The explosion and fireball would probably kill every soul inside, and many outside on the parking lot.
A tanker of propane will burn real hot, but I think the right conditions need to be applied to get it to do a big time boom. Here are a few links you might find interesting.
DOE - Safety of Radioactive Material Transportation - Propane tank explosion movie (Warning 132 MB) link at the bottom right of this page
http://www.sandia.gov/tp/SAFE_RAM/SEVERITY.HTM
Fire and Explosions Video Archive
http://www.foleymansfield.com/FireExplosions.html
Frames from R-406A Safety Testing video - One brave man at the bottom of this page!
http://www.autofrost.com/monroe/safety/safety.html
Sodium Party
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Stories/011.2/
Fuel Flamability
http://www.twa800.com/pages/fuel.htm
perhaps something like this?
Horrible scenario. I live near the Mall of America, and I know it is considered a prominent target. If you've ever been there, you'd know the parking ramps are plentiful.
One of our smaller elite malls in Edina ($$$) is frequented by Arab royalty occasionally.
And for a little history lesson (I'm a woman, whaddya want, mall history is important!), Southdale mall is just across the street from the smaller mall and was the first mall in the US of A.
Hope you guys are right vis a vis nuke power plants.
Hope you guys are right vis a vis nuke power plants.
Hope you guys are right vis a vis nuke power plants.
Man, a triple post? What the...?
I'll find a link to the Morocco synagoge propane tanker attack. It's in their SOPs, that's certain.
In May and August, terrorists remotely triggered bombs attached to Israeli fuel tankers. Neither bomb caused substantial damage, but the incidents signaled a new tactic.
A senior terrorism analyst for the federal government said American truckers needed to be alert to the heightened risk. "Information sharing is particularly important when a technique has been looked at or tried overseas," he said.
This month, Mr. Rodriguez has met repeatedly with industry groups, and counterterrorism teams from the Federal Bureau of Investigation have provided fresh updates to local officials and trucking businesses. At one briefing, federal authorities said truck inspectors should watch for drums laid out in a V shape, the configuration used by Timothy J. McVeigh in 1995 to focus the blast of his truck bomb at the Oklahoma City federal building that was his target, meeting participants said.
Still, federal terrorism analysts and other officials concede that a bomb is not necessary because the nation's hazardous cargo offers the same opportunity that airliners provided 13 months ago — the chance to transform ubiquitous vehicles into mobile weapons of war.
About 50,000 trips are made each day by gasoline tankers, many of which hold as much fuel as a Boeing 757. Many of the depots where they fill up are unattended, dispensing fuel with the stroke of a driver's card. The trips often end with a late-night delivery to a deserted gas station.
Experts say that chemicals present an even greater risk, particularly those like chlorine or cyanide, which can form clouds of deadly fumes.
Across North America, terrorism officials were alerted in May when a truck hauling 96 drums of sodium cyanide was stolen north of Mexico City. Most of the 55-gallon drums were quickly recovered, but the hijacking showed the ease with which terrorists could appropriate a potential chemical weapon.
The very placards that trucks must carry to inform firefighters of toxic contents could also direct terrorists to particularly deadly cargo, experts say.
"Gasoline and propane are very spectacular, but realistically they pale in potential damage or injuries compared to a lot of other products that move by truck," said a senior official at a chemical-hauling company. "And the placards pretty much advertise exactly what's inside."
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