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So, yes, I am, when labels are required, a Liberal. But, as I am interested in the workings of the Conservative mind, I wonder how an article like this might sit with proud Conservatives like yourselves.

I suppose it is a false, misleading, and fiercely unpatriotic charge, no?

Shoot it down, Ladies and Gentleman. Make me feel stupid.

1 posted on 07/10/2004 8:42:46 AM PDT by Hiram_Buck
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"I suppose it is a false, misleading, and fiercely unpatriotic charge, no?"

Only read what you posted. All I can say is that I hope the part I read is true. LOL!


27 posted on 07/10/2004 9:04:00 AM PDT by ShandaLear (John actually picked John before he picked John.)
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I believe this article and conspiracy theory 100%.

Having declared this, I must postulate and you must give equivalence to my conspiracy theory that the Bill Clinton and the DNC has ordered the Palm Beach District Attorney to get Rush Limbaugh on trial and convicted for Dr. shopping and get him off the air before election day! If your crazy theory is valid, then so is mine. As the hippies always say, "everything is relative man!"

28 posted on 07/10/2004 9:06:31 AM PDT by GWB00
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30 posted on 07/10/2004 9:08:15 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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Back under your slimy rock, scumbag!


31 posted on 07/10/2004 9:11:36 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino •)
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The media in general has been so lopsided for the past year trying to convince the American people Bush is either stupid, incompetent or an evil genius. They refuse to even attempt to investigate any negative story on Kerry. According to the media and the Dems everything Bush does is the most horrific thing done to the American people. Eventually you just tune them out.

This story aligns with everything the Liberals wish the public to believe and has been pushing for at least a year. If there were any real sources, besides "unnamed officials" it would help.

The problem is your trying to make people believe Bush is a stupid, evil, arrogant, hateful,do anything for money or power, even sending soldiers to die for their own gain type of guy and it conflicts with most Americans gut feeling of him.

Bush has been honest and straight his whole presidency and sticks to his guns and people know this. The liberals have cried wolf for so long why would we believe them even if this was a real wolf?

32 posted on 07/10/2004 9:13:29 AM PDT by normy (Just cause you think you can box, doesn't mean you're ready to climb in the ring with Ali.)
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Ode to a Zotted Troll

Heaven to Earth,

I'd bring this down,

To hit you with,

But you're not around.

 

33 posted on 07/10/2004 9:15:21 AM PDT by timpad (Peace without victory is procrastination)
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I suppose it is a false, misleading, and fiercely unpatriotic charge, no?

Here is the problem. It's an easy charge to make, and an easy one to believe, if you want to.

I work with a number of people who have been up and down the hills in the back corners of Afganistan. From every single account, they say that anyone who thinks finding Bin Laden should be easy needs to come on down and try for themselves.

The issue of terrain is all but insurmountable. In the higher areas helicopters just don't work, because the air is too thin. In the lower regions, the sheer size, complexity and ruggedness of the terrain makes it a breeze to hide in.

Many locals aren't helpful, either. Some have never heard of America, some are convinced we're the Russians coming back, some saw a flyer saying that American's murder 2 million Muslims a year, and have decided not to help us. The ones that are helpful are usually not useful.

Now, 'rumor has it' that he's in Pakistan. Which is even worse, because the Pakistanis don't want our military running around their lawless no mans land western frontier stirring up trouble. That does complicate things.

The Pakistanis aren't trustworthy. Their military and government agents often run their own agendas, making it impossible to know what they're really up to. The tribes of Waziristan and western Pakistan are half civilized, xenophobic, and rebellious. At least the Afghans can be paid off; these guys simply won't budge.

So, when we do catch the bin Hidin and company, barring any major, stunning intelligence breakthroughs that I wouldn't hold my breath over, it will be because of luck. If that doesn't sit well with you, I don't know what else to tell you. There are people in America we still can't find.

34 posted on 07/10/2004 9:17:11 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Iran almost has nuclear weapons. They will get them unless we stop them.)
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Here's your sign!


35 posted on 07/10/2004 9:19:40 AM PDT by MarMema
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36 posted on 07/10/2004 9:20:35 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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'nuff said!

37 posted on 07/10/2004 9:21:04 AM PDT by LuigiBasco (It's past time to restart The Crusades.)
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Shoot it down, Ladies and Gentleman. Make me feel stupid.

If you insist. Goodnight Mr. Hiram:


39 posted on 07/10/2004 9:27:05 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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40 posted on 07/10/2004 9:28:50 AM PDT by 4mycountry ("Change?" "Yes, I think I did!" - 'Monk' TV show)
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Get a WH source to go on record and I will pay attention.

I read this the other day and find nothing in it that supports the claim. A couple folks saying they have been told to ramp up the pressure, and they assume it is due to the election.

I have an open mind, but I need real proof of something like this.

There just is none.


43 posted on 07/10/2004 9:31:47 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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Geez..and I thought it was Kerry's French cousins who were planning this as they can't stand their faux French relative because he sold his Italian villa they used for vacations..damn I really am happy to know the truth..its BUSH!


44 posted on 07/10/2004 9:32:19 AM PDT by litehaus
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Shoot it down, Ladies and Gentleman. Make me feel stupid.

I almost never do this, but this troll deserves a response in absentia:

Hiram, you just don't get it. That's what makes you feel stupid. This forum, in my opinion, is not for debating the Left. It is for defeating the Left. We tried debating the Left, for forty years. It got us called racistsexistbigothomophobehater and any other epithet the Left could come up with. The Left believes those that disagree with them are not merely in error, but in sin. The Left views its positions as so clearly, cosmically, unquestionably correct that anyone that disagrees with them must be doing it for evil motives.

After a while, we got sick of it. Somehow, on the scene arrived men and women who were no longer afraid of these foul names and what the New York Times would say. They began to lead others, who stood up and said, 'No More'. No more corruption of our children, no more treason, no more theft of the means of production, no more coddling criminals so they'd vote for the Left, no more installing the religion of Atheism as a state religion. No more.

One of these leaders founded this forum, and through it, like-minded individuals have banded together to discuss strategy, plan activities, debate (sometimes very forcefully) amongst themselves and enjoy each other's company. None of this pertains to you. We do not enjoy your company, we will not debate you because it is pointless. Your mind is corrupt and shall remain so.

Wait somewhere else for the final collapse of the Left. It is coming. The Left's hold on the educational system, the government and public opinion is being dismantled. Brick by brick, lie by lie, fool by fool, the edifice the Left has erected is being slowly, carefully, patiently destroyed. People are waking up, and when they do, they join forums like this one.

So, begone menace. And good riddance. Go someplace like democraticunderground.com and wallow in the hate, filth, profanity and evil that is so apparent there. You'll find none here.

46 posted on 07/10/2004 9:34:32 AM PDT by timpad (Peace without victory is procrastination)
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Make me feel stupid.

Feelings.

Nothing more than...feelings.

Trying to confirm that you

are stupid.

47 posted on 07/10/2004 9:35:41 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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The worst thing about trolls is that they don't hang around to read my (low down) opinion of them.


48 posted on 07/10/2004 9:37:03 AM PDT by LibKill (Happy Birthday America! I love you.)
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"He's dead, Jim."

I wonder how that one will play in Poughkeepsie.

Welcome to FR, pull up a chair, get your favorite beverage (and/or crack pipe) and sit a spell. You might learn something.

5.56mm

51 posted on 07/10/2004 9:38:45 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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How can you be in two places at once,
when you're not anywhere at ALLLLLLLLLLLL.

NEXT!


52 posted on 07/10/2004 9:39:59 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Make me feel stupid.

There is no need, Hiram. Obviously you have handled that task quite nicely by yourself.
Kind of like sex, huh?

53 posted on 07/10/2004 9:40:03 AM PDT by humblegunner
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