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Couple: Agency placed predator (7 year old "sexual abuser and predator")
Times Leader ^ | 7/27/2004 | JON FOX

Posted on 07/27/2004 5:57:06 AM PDT by Born Conservative

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To: Motherbear
Don't get me wrong - I was spanked as a child growing up, and it did me plenty of good. That being said, mom never close-fist punched me in the head/face. I can't imagine that sort of treatment would solve much of anything - though I can only begin to imagine the kinds of problems it could create.
41 posted on 07/27/2004 7:52:52 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: NJ_gent

Given that Mr. TelephoneMan has only been with us for a few days, I cannot discount the possibility that he is something other than an honest FReeper.


43 posted on 07/27/2004 7:58:53 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Dunno. I hate the thought of it. I can't think of a way that isn't horrifying. All I can do is ask one question: do you want this kid in the same day-care, classroom, playground, park, neighborhood, etc. as your children? My girlfriend has two toddlers: my answer is H311 N0!
Unforutnately, the way things seem to work these days, not only can you not keep him away from these places, you can't even find out about him.
As things stand, no one will be able to do anything about him until he strikes again. Even then, response will be limited 'cause he is a juvenile offender. Until he reaches majority, no matter what he does, he is not going to suffer the consequences of his deeds for very long. Then, at eighteen, when he commits his next atrocity, we lock him up forever (hopefully). Does that make sense?

One more thing. If such a monster moved into my neighborhood, and attacked one of my girlfriend's children, I wouldn't just take steps against the monster; his parents, knowing what he is, are even more liable than the kid.


44 posted on 07/27/2004 8:01:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: r9etb
Possibly. What do you know of this specific case?

45 posted on 07/27/2004 8:05:03 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: TelephoneMan
"Electro-shock therapy has been revived and is no longer experiemental."

I've seen no credible success with electro-shock therapy, but if you'd like to post a link to a medical journal with a good article on the topic, I'd be happy to read it.

"Again where does it say in that article that the kid was abused by his father?"

From the article: "The agency assumed custody of the 7-year-old boy and his sister in May 1999 after it became evident the children's father was sexually abusive to them and their mother was unable to provide proper care, the complaint said."

"Once again another person on this thread that believes they can shut the problem behind a prison wall"

Where in my post did I mention the word 'prison'? I said to have him put in a facility equiped to deal with and treat the problems stemming from his prior sexual abuse. Let them do whatever it is that they can to treat his problems, and if they're unable to cure him of his sexually predatory nature by the time he reaches majority, then I suggested long-term commitment in a state-run mental facility where he can be removed as a threat to society without continuing his life of torture and pain.
46 posted on 07/27/2004 8:06:25 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: r9etb

Why, I hadn't noticed that. Perhaps I'll bring that up next time he strings along a flock of strawmen.


48 posted on 07/27/2004 8:09:17 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: Born Conservative
The problem of "feral children" is going to haunt us for at least a generation. To "fix" these children may not be possible at all, and if it is possible, it will require literally millions of dollars per child in centers which scarcely exist. Meanwhile, broken segments of our society are churning out more feral children by the thousands every day.

Look to Brazil, Colombia etc to see our future. Look to how police in Brazil deal with feral children, it may be our future. Look at the 16 year old in LA who recently shot a random CHP cop in the head, killing him, merely as a gang initiation.

This problem is just rearing its head, it will haunt us the rest of our lives. The "Brazilian solution" will make us feel like Nazis, and allowing them to roam our streets will make us prisoners in our homes. Paying to fix them ain't going to happen (if it could even be shown to work). And the ACLU etc say we may not fix the society which is mass-producing feral children.

49 posted on 07/27/2004 8:10:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Little Ray
I can do is ask one question: do you want this kid in the same day-care, classroom, playground, park, neighborhood, etc. as your children?

Of course not. Nobody here is saying that this child is normal, nor that his behavior is benign. He really does need to be kept away from others, as he does pose a serious and real danger to others.

I prefer to reject the morally unacceptable alternatives of sending a mentally ill 7-yo kid to prison for life, or torturing him into submission, or killing him outright.

The question becomes, what do you do with him? The goal would be to make it so he does not pose a danger and can operate somewhat normally. I don't know how to do that; and although I'm very good with kids, I don't believe I'd be capable of taking him into my own home (even if I didn't already have kids).

50 posted on 07/27/2004 8:11:06 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: TelephoneMan

You can't treat a problem with pedophilial predation like a problem of a continually untidy bedroom.


51 posted on 07/27/2004 8:13:31 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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Nothing a good walloping won't fix

Are you talking about the kid or the Children and Youth Services employees?

53 posted on 07/27/2004 8:16:45 AM PDT by Redcloak (<insert clever tagline here>)
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To: NJ_gent

He almost sounds like a troll-- coming here from DU to get FReepers to agree to Nazi tactics on 7 year-olds.


54 posted on 07/27/2004 8:20:37 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: r9etb
If they didn't tell the family he was living with that he had problems then he obviously wasn't getting help. I would suggest a childless couple who was willing to homeschool and help with counselling.

You just wonder if he ever had any love at all. If he didn't there is probably not much hope at his age and now there is another child who needs help. It is just a sad situation.

55 posted on 07/27/2004 8:21:29 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Travis McGee
You make some good points about the problem of "feral children."

Such children are creatures of the psychotic cultures into which they're born. They have no fathers, and neither did their mothers, nor did their mothers' mothers. Their social environment has been stripped of nearly all moral underpinnings except power and spectacle.

The "solution" for the problem is to (somehow) stop the flow of new "feral children" into the pipeline, and to deal with the existing ones as best we can.

It requires moral clarity, and a recognition that there are indeed community interests that can and sometimes do trump individual rights. For example, a woman's "individual right" to have children is trumped by the community interest in not having to support her children, and be subject to their criminal tendencies. Her womb (and its fertility) is public property for as long as we're paying for what comes out of it.

FWIW, I think the necessary moral clarity no longer exists in any politically viable sense in the U.S. This may change once folks get fed up with things -- and it would still require moral leadership.

Were it possible, I think the best antidote for "feral children" is physical labor and religious education -- hard work to use their energies (and to teach them something useful); and religious (Christian, IMHO) education to get their heads straight.

57 posted on 07/27/2004 8:28:47 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: tiki
You just wonder if he ever had any love at all.

Doesn't sound like it. Poor kid.

Off-topic: I've been thinking about little Jacqueline lately -- how's she doing?

60 posted on 07/27/2004 8:30:49 AM PDT by r9etb
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