[blam]

Oops!

[Caipirabob]

There is still much left unexplained in this article.

[Truth666]

Prof von Zieten dated the skull at 27,400 years old. The latest research, however, indicates that it belonged to an elderly man who died around 1750.
I was the first worldwide to expose this big lie technique using proof that any high school student can understand.
Later on that thread I asked for the answer, and yet nobody answered even if I kept giving hints ... :
Hint about the technique : implementing the foundation of the big lie "evolution" relies on three cheap tricks that belong technically in that category.
Two of those tricks have been mainly used with human evolution / out of Africa.

One of these is actually the most sucessful trick ever from this category, and it has been identified in a previous thread : cheap trick behind the most devasting lie in the history of mankind
(see there #50 by wirestripper for the first freeper to get the right path; see #54 by martian_22 for the precise correct answer.)

The trick I have in mind, concerning what we discuss now, is the third one from that category; it is decisive to make people believe in evolution as a whole, not only in human evolution.

[Cacique]

btt

[NukeMan]

Blam!!

Off topic, but there is a **beautiful** article in this morning's Atlanta Journal Constitution on the South Carolina Topper site (author: Mike Toner). It isn't on the ajc.com website yet.

Nuke

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[MissAmericanPie]

As one scientific icon after the other falls, is it safe for one to entertain the possibility of a young earth?

[Dajjal]

In their report, though, both anthropologists described this as a "dating disaster".

Yeah. I've had some of those.

[Bernard Marx]

scientists no longer believe are prehistoric include the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton

That's one of the problems with dating an older woman.

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Oops!

Oops is right! Or is it: "oog"? :)

This 'Fraud' is one of the biggest names in paleoanthropology; for what it's worth. At least his webpage is offline. http://www.neanderthal-modern.com/weeurope.htm

"The current form of the modern human origins debate in paleoanthropology originated with Reiner Protsch’s (1975) contention that modern humans could be identified as a distinct entity and were of African origin." Source: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wolpoff/Papers/aa-hawks.pdf

Here are a few of his papers that I found with a quick websearch. Many of his papers are used as references by government and educational websites and textbooks. As far as I am concerned, anything he's done is suspect.

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1992 Craniofacial Evidence for theOrigin of Modern Humans in China.Yearbook of PhysicalAnthropology 35:243–298. Protsch, Reiner

Protsch, R. 1975. "The absolute dating of Upper Pleistocene sub-Saharan fossil hominids and their place in human evolution." In Journal of Human Evolution, vol. 4, pp. 297-322.

Bada, Jeffrey L. and Reiner Protsch. 1973. Racemization reaction of aspartic acid and its use in dating fossil bones. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 70:1331-1334.

Bada, Jeffrey L., Reiner Protsch, and Roy A. Schroeder. 1973. The racemization reaction of isoleucine used as a paleotemperature indicator. Nature 241:394-395.

Protsch, Reiner R. R. Catalog of fossil hominids of North America. New York, G. Fischer, 1978. 86 p. E71.P76 Includes bibliographical references

Bada, JL, Schroeder, R, Protsch, R, & Berger, R 1974. Concordance of collagen-based radiocarbon and aspartic acid racemization ages. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA 71:914-917.

Berger, R. and R. Protsch, 1989. UCLA Radiocarbon Dates XI. Radiology. Vol.31, No. 1. pp. 55-67.

MacNeish, R.S., R. Berger, and R. Protsch (1970) Megafauna and Man from Ayacucho, Highland Peru. Science 168:975-977.

Protsch R. R. R., 1981. Die archäologischen und anthropologischen Ergebnisse der Kolh-Larsen-Expeditionen in Nord-Tanzania 1933-1939. Band 4, 3., Tübinger Monographien zur Urgeschichte. Universität Tübingen, Tübingen.

Reiner Protsch, "The Age and Stratigraphic Position of Olduvai Hominid I," Journal of Human Evolution, Vol. 3 (1974), pp: 379--385.

Berger, R., Protsch, R.R., Reynolds, R., Rozaire, C., and Sackett, J.R. (1971) New radiocarbon dates based on bone collagen of California paleoindians. Contributions of the University of California Archaeological Research Facility 12:43-49.

[SunkenCiv]

New Evidence of Early Humans Unearthed in Russia's North
by John Noble Wilford
September 6, 2001

Stone tools, animal bones and an incised mammoth tusk found in Russia's frigid far north have provided what archaeologists say is the first evidence that modern humans or Neanderthals lived in the Arctic more than 30,000 years ago, at least 15,000 years earlier than previously thought... The tusk was carbon-dated at about 36,600 years old. Plant remains found among the artifacts were dated at 30,000 to 31,000 years... The discoverers said they could not determine from the few stone artifacts whether the site was occupied by Neanderthals, hominids who by then had a long history as hunters in Europe and western Asia, or some of the first anatomically modern humans to reach Europe... If these toolmakers were Neanderthals, the findings suggested that these human relatives, who became extinct after 30,000 years ago, were more capable and adaptable than they are generally given credit for. Living in the Arctic climate presumably required higher levels of technology and social organization... If they were modern humans, then the surprise is that they had penetrated so far north in such a short time. There has been no firm evidence for modern humans in Europe before about 35,000 years ago. It had generally been thought that the northernmost part of Eurasia was not occupied by humans until the final stage of the last ice age, some 13,000 to 14,000 years ago, when the world's climate began to moderate.

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[AndrewC]

Oops!

Sunkenciv, thanks for the ping.

Michael, you were slow to pull the trigger.

All, it does not appear to be just a dating problem. If I read things correctly, it is also an identification problem.

Work by the flamboyant Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten showed that Neanderthal Man existed in northern Europe. Calculations on skeletal remains found at Hahnofersand, near Hamburg, stated they were 36,000 years old.

[GodBlessRonaldReagan]

[TOUGH STOUGH]

Most interesting and a story I will continue to follow.

[rintense]

Neanderthal Man 'Never Walked In Northern Europe'

Maybe, but he's walked in the US... his name is John Kerry.

[JimRed]

Right, Fred and Wilma never walked anywhere; they rode in that stone-wheeled "run a car".

;^)

[Doctor Stochastic]

Neanderthal Man 'Never Walked In Northern Europe'

If the were in Zermatt, they would have had to walk.

[japaneseghost]

I noticed something on another forum last night which links to this article on FreeRepublic.

You might want to take a look.


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63632&Disp=1#C1

[SunkenCiv]

Not a ping, just a bttt, because this story has been recycled, including some of the quotes.

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