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1 posted on 08/28/2004 11:34:36 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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The main problem with the Electoral College is that it builds into every election the possibility, which has been a reality three times since the Civil War, that the president will be a candidate who lost the popular vote.

Funny they would use the Civil War as a history marker here. Abolish the Electoral College and we will have another Civil War.

28 posted on 08/28/2004 11:54:03 PM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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If you want to abolish the Ec there should not be 2 commie Senators from one state. A small commie state like Delaware shouldn't have two commies in the Senate even if one is a RINO.

A state like wyoming shouldn't have 2 Senators either even if they are GOP.

If you don't agree with me then you don't agree with abolishing the EC !

30 posted on 08/28/2004 11:56:07 PM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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The New York Times will be abolished before the Electoral College.
31 posted on 08/28/2004 11:57:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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NY Times vs. the Constitution BUMP

Let's do away with state lines while we are at it. No need to give every state (including Rhode Island and Alaska) 2 Senators. Why do we need 50 governors'? With the federal courts dictating laws to the states, let's just get the whole shebang overwith...


33 posted on 08/28/2004 11:58:14 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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I think it's best to keep the Electoral College. I personally do not want every election decided exclusively by jackwits in the dense cities of New York, California, and Florida.

Small wonder the New York Slimes endorses this sort of change. It would cement their anti-American Leftist stranglehold on the Presidency.

35 posted on 08/28/2004 11:58:57 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Democrats. They want to have their cake and eat yours too.)
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The Slimes wants to abolish the EC for one reason only, and it's not because "every vote would count", it's because Al Gore fell victim to the EC. If this country did away with the EC, it will only allow this country to move quickly toward Socialism, whereby all the urban areas would control the policymaking. The EC was put into place for a purpose, each state has two Senators, and the Founding Fathers realized all this. Liberals have never been fans of equality.


36 posted on 08/28/2004 11:59:33 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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Without the Electoral College, New York City would be able to use massive vote fraud to increase its influence over the election. With the Electoral College, once a candidate has a comfortable margin in a particular state (perhaps 5%+) there is no incentive to increase that margin by pandering to the extremes within that state.


39 posted on 08/29/2004 12:01:39 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Let's scrap CONGRESS. Some congressmen are elected virtually unopposed. Others squeak in with 50% of the vote or less. The voters that elect congress are then often under-represented when congressmen elected by heavy majorities line up on the losing side of closely contested legislation. What difference does it make who you elect if they can't pass anything? We must have pure democracy!
40 posted on 08/29/2004 12:01:40 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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The Electoral College got a brief spate of attention in 2000, when George Bush became president even though he lost the popular vote to Al Gore by more than 500,000 votes.......It's a ridiculous setup, which thwarts the will of the majority

Well for one, 500,000 votes is miniscule for an American election. It says nothing of who's more popular. That's an attempt by the writer to use a big looking number to make his point look better. Second, Gore didn't the majority, so that doesn't work either. A runoff would probably have been necessary, and Bush could have won a runoff.

With our country divided into states, something like the Electoral Collage is necessary. Without it, a few big cities would decide the close elections.

Most ridiculous is this idiot trying to make the electoral college look like a few hundred people deciding the outcome of the election. I'm sorry, but that's hilariously stupid. The electors are decided by the results from each state, and going state by state, each state getting a say, is the best way to go.

42 posted on 08/29/2004 12:03:05 AM PDT by baseballfanjm
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Let's see now. kerry wins 49 states by 50,000 votes each. Pres Bush wins Texas by 3,000,000 votes. BUSH WINS!


43 posted on 08/29/2004 12:03:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Graybeard - Illinois resident - Keyes voter)
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Let's see now. kerry wins 49 states by 50,000 votes each. Pres Bush wins Texas by 3,000,000 votes. BUSH WINS!


44 posted on 08/29/2004 12:04:30 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Graybeard - Illinois resident - Keyes voter)
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In the case of a tie, the election goes to the House of Representatives, where each state delegation gets one vote - one for Wyoming's 500,000 residents and one for California's 35.5 million.

So what's the problem?

46 posted on 08/29/2004 12:05:08 AM PDT by kesg
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No matter how many times history has proven the danger of "pure" democracy, aka mob rule, the NYT just won't give up on it.


58 posted on 08/29/2004 12:14:40 AM PDT by Bonaparte (the lyric said forevermore, forevermore's a memory...)
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Wanna stop the "dump the electoral college" people in their tracks?

Ask them if they wanted a Florida-style recount in ALL 50 STATES in 2000 because the two candidates came within the margin of error that should require a recount. Can you imagine the chaos and dirty tricks that would happen? Or would they want NO recourse for a narrow loser in the national popular vote?

Sorry. One state of that sort of hokum was plenty enough for me.

The electoral college is one of the most ingenius things our founding fathers have devised. Once in a blue moon it creates a controversy like it did in 2000 but most of the time it settles arguments rather that starts them and we should be grateful for that.


59 posted on 08/29/2004 12:14:41 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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Thought you might be interested in this thread.


69 posted on 08/29/2004 12:27:39 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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The NYT should check into states rights. If New York wants to apportion its vote, it's free do so, as a couple of other states already do.


70 posted on 08/29/2004 12:30:28 AM PDT by Melas
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The main problem with the Electoral College is that it builds into every election the possibility, which has been a reality three times since the Civil War, that the president will be a candidate who lost the popular vote.

The really easy way to win the popular vote without winning the electoral vote is to win very high margins in a few states. Each state has two senators, and the electoral vote for each state is the number of senators plus congressmen. If a candidate wins big in the large states while losing small states or just wins big in one region, the extra votes allocated to for senators will add up rather quickly. That happened in 1888 when Grover Cleveland ran for reelection. His main issue was free trade which was very popular in the South but unpopular elsewhere. Cleveland racked up 60-80% of the popular vote throughout southern states. I might also add that the black vote was suppressed in those states. If it had not been, would Cleveland have won the plurality of the popular vote? In fact only in 1876 did a candidate winning a majority of the popular vote lose the electoral vote.

In 2000, Al Gore won just 20 states plus the District of Columbia. Bush won 30 states. That means Bush won nine more than Gore yielding 18 more senatorial electoral votes. That's the same number of electoral votes as Michigan in 2000. It was as if Bush had won an additional medium large state. In the 20th century only two winning presidential candidates won the presidency while not winning in the majority of states, Kennedy in 1960 and Carter in 1976.

71 posted on 08/29/2004 12:30:33 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Yup...... And then in the end Mr. Kerry wins with the electoral votes and GWB gets the popular vote....... Suddenly in a strange twist of fate........ the electoral vote would become a sacred institution.... never to be touched until the end of time....!!!!!!!

Hey DEMs......... da rules is da rules!!!!

72 posted on 08/29/2004 12:31:21 AM PDT by R_Kangel
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The NYT is not ignorant. They are playing to the ignorance of the multicultural morons who vote Rat.

We who understand history can not be fooled by their propaganda.


82 posted on 08/29/2004 1:12:11 AM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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>>the president is chosen not by the voters themselves, but by 538 electors. It's a ridiculous setup

It is not!

It's a built in check and balance against Dem propagandists.


87 posted on 08/29/2004 1:27:38 AM PDT by The Raven (Democracies are bad. Republics are good.)
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