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If this is true, it is as bad as "Christmas in Cambodia." I would like an explanation.
1 posted on 09/04/2004 6:21:54 AM PDT by Jeff Blogworthy
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What a boat load of slime. Someone can live in our part of Austria and travel to another -- into the Soviet section That's exactly what happened. These people are desperate beyond belief.


116 posted on 09/04/2004 7:53:36 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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Which claim is more believable?

1) 8-year-old Arnold Schwarzenegger went in a car with his father into the Soviet sector of Austria. Or,

2) 12-year-old John Kerry rode his bicycle in and out of East Berlin at Checkpoint Charlie by himself.


121 posted on 09/04/2004 8:24:10 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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Funny! Timothy Noah has long been a "shoot first ask questions later" partisan, and this time he's gone off half cocked.


123 posted on 09/04/2004 8:35:09 AM PDT by x
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If this is true, it is as bad as "Christmas in Cambodia." I would like an explanation.

The explanation is that this article is a lie. He said they "crossed over into the Soviet sector." If they crossed over, they weren't in the British sector. Got it?

126 posted on 09/04/2004 8:56:44 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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"It's a fact -- as a child he could not have seen a Soviet tank in Styria," the southeastern province where Schwarzenegger was born and raised, historian Stefan Karner told the Vienna newspaper Kurier.

Did Arnold say he saw Soviet tanks in Styria? I missed that part. Please point it out to me.

130 posted on 09/04/2004 9:42:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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Respond to the fuggin' liar at "chatterbox@slate.com"


134 posted on 09/04/2004 12:25:10 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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The USSR occupied Austria but withdrew when the occupation zones were created.


135 posted on 09/04/2004 12:28:23 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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If this is true, it is as bad as "Christmas in Cambodia."

Yeah, it is seared into Bush's memory.
Now go back where you came from, Chuckles.

136 posted on 09/04/2004 12:31:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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If this is true, it is as bad as "Christmas in Cambodia." I would like an explanation.

You live in the British sector. Your uncle lives in the Soviet sector. You grow up hearing the stories and see the difference between the two sectors. What's not to understand about the Soviets?
138 posted on 09/04/2004 12:37:53 PM PDT by aruanan
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Did you bother to read the transcripts of Arnold's speech? Obviously not.


140 posted on 09/04/2004 12:56:50 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets.

Historia for the masses... let's see...Austria's history between '45-'55

In 1945, Austria was treated as a defeated nation. like Germany partitioned into 4 zones of occupation, as was the capital city of Vienna (which coincidentally, as in the case of Berlin, was completely surrounded by the Soviet zone of occupation). Austria had been regarded as the first victim of Nazi aggression, but Austrians had contributed to the Nazi atrocities; Austrians such as ERNST KALTENBRUNNER and ARTHUR SEYSS-INQUART were among the defendants in the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials. In theory, Austria was to be jointly administrated by the 4 Allied powers; relations between the Soviets and the western allies soon turned sour. It was only in 1955 that a STAATSVERTRAG was negotiated, according to which the Allies withdrew from Austria, granting independence, under the (Soviet) condition of political neutrality. (There is More)


141 posted on 09/04/2004 1:00:00 PM PDT by Porterville (How can the median price of a home in CA be 450,000 dollars? How? Where is the money?)
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Once the center of power for the large Austro-Hungarian Empire, Austria was reduced to a small republic after its defeat in World War I. Following annexation by Nazi Germany in 1938 and subsequent occupation by the victorious Allies in 1945, Austria's status remained unclear for a decade. A State Treaty signed in 1955 ended the occupation, recognized Austria's independence, and forbade unification with Germany. A constitutional law that same year declared the country's "perpetual neutrality" as a condition for Soviet military withdrawal

Arnold Schwarzenegger actor, producer Birthdate: July 30, 1947. Birthplace: Graz, Austria

143 posted on 09/04/2004 1:05:28 PM PDT by Porterville (How can the median price of a home in CA be 450,000 dollars? How? Where is the money?)
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This is report is nonsense.

The Soviets occupied part of Austria in the early post-war period. They withdrew, and the allies did also, under an agreement, with the condition that Austria become neutral.

The agreement came together because of the terrain and the presence of Switzerland, this was the only incidence of Russia pulling back from a wartime occupation.


144 posted on 09/04/2004 1:13:52 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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It's nonsense like this that shows how ignorant most liberals are, despite all their condescension.

Austria is a small country and Vienna is the only sizable city. Because of the Cold War it took many years to negotiate independence and an end to the occupation with the Russians.

The idea that Arnold never traveled to Vienna or the Soviet zone during all those years is an idea so stupid only an intellectual could believe it.

The claim that Austria has a conservative government is also wrong. For most of its post-war existence Austria has been governed by a left-right coalition that has created a typical European socialist-lite state, like Germany and France. Arnold was right to point out our economic system is much better at producing wealth and jobs - which is why Europeans continue to migrate to America and why the whiny liberals who keep threatening to leave don't.

145 posted on 09/04/2004 1:17:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
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Arnold never said he grew up in the Soviet Zone, he specificially said his family had to cross a border to get there. Why else would he be afraid of Soviet BORDER POLICE guarding the BORDER of the Soviet Zone that his family was passing INTO?

At the end of the day, Slate wants John Kerry in the White House. That's the only explanation I've got for this. Otherwise sane members of the media are now doing whatever they can to get their man elected.

147 posted on 09/04/2004 1:24:23 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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Duh, he saw russian tanks in the russian zone? Jeeze.


153 posted on 09/05/2004 12:26:20 AM PDT by ozzymandus ("So it is written, so it shall be danced"-Al Bundy)
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