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Shotgun Incident Worsens for Kerry
Gunlaws.com ^ | 18 September, 2004 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 09/20/2004 5:27:11 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Smokin' Joe

I have a feeling you are very correct!!!!


101 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:14 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org)
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To: Lucky2
If this is illeagle then he belongs in jail!

If he's an illeagle, then he belongs in a aviary hospital...

102 posted on 09/20/2004 11:43:14 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: marktwain

Since when is it illegal to accept a gun as a gift from someone? Show me that law. I see no harm in him taking the gun. Much ado about nothing. Who cares. He's gonna lose.


103 posted on 09/20/2004 12:43:45 PM PDT by tx4guns (Guns don't murder people; stupid people murder people.)
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To: Liz; Coleus

You have a Bang List Ping, right?


104 posted on 09/20/2004 1:17:33 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MamaTexan

Good luck on your bar exam! ;-)


105 posted on 09/20/2004 1:25:41 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: tx4guns
When it's a brand new gun. The aboveboard way is for the gift giver to buy a certificate from the FFL; the gift recipient then goes and fills out the 4473 and suffers the NICS check and goes home with the firearm which had been in the FFL's hands the whole time.

By going and buying the gun, with the intent of immediately giving it to someone else, the original purchaser has come perilously close to making a straw purchase.

106 posted on 09/20/2004 1:30:51 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: marktwain

If a candidate for the US president with a ton of advisors has trouble keeping the laws, then what about the "little" guy.

The laws are too complicated.


107 posted on 09/20/2004 2:05:35 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Chemist_Geek

Don't parents do that for their children all the time? Buy the gun and give it to them for Christmas or something? I know, it's splitting hairs, but it's the same. No parent has ever gotten in trouble for it that I know of.


108 posted on 09/20/2004 2:06:53 PM PDT by tx4guns (Guns don't murder people; stupid people murder people.)
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To: tx4guns
Yes, but it's close to the edge. In the case of a family, it's arguable that the firearm remains the property of the parent; that the minor child is only permitted occasional use. Even that might not be enough for a particularly anti-gun assistant U.S. Attorney.
109 posted on 09/20/2004 2:13:35 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: IamConservative
They were vague on the legal issues.

Is it illegal to give or accept a gun as a gift?

In certain cases, it is. If the gift is across state lines, or if the person getting the gun belongs to one of the many categories who are prohibited from getting one by federal law.

Is it illegal to transport a gun across state lines?

Again, it depends. If the gun is being transported across state lines to end up with a prohibited person, or if the state where the gun ends up has laws that prohibit its possession, or greatly infringe upon the transfer of guns, it may be.

Is it illegal because of soem FEC thing?

No

I find it disturbing if it one of the first 2.

You might consider that most federal gun laws appear to have been designed to aid the states in infringing on the 2nd amendment rights of their citizens. It is essentially collusion between the Federal and State governments to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

110 posted on 09/20/2004 6:05:35 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Marysecretary
It is no problem to take a gun with you to Alaska. There is a federal law, the Gun Owners Protection Act, that basically says that if you can legally possess a gun in one place, and legally possess it in another, you can transport it in between.

In order to do so by commercial air, it needs to be transported in a hard sided case that can be locked. If you have a hard sided piece of luggage that can be locked, this will usually do the trick. Otherwise, a plastic gun case works well. The gun must be unloaded, and any ammunition must be in a factory container. A magazine or speed loader is considered as loaded, so don't have the ammunition in these.

When you check in, be sure to notify the ticket clerk that you are checking an unloaded firearm. I find the best phrase to use is "I wish to declare an unloaded firearm." They will hand you a tag to sign that you then place with the firearm, so that anyone else along the chain will know that you have declared it. Since 9/11 I usually find that someone will then accompany you and the luggage with the gun in it to the security x-ray machine, so that the people there will be notified that it is a declared gun. The luggage will go through the machine, and then you are usually asked for the key so that it can be locked.

I usually have pistols in a separate case in luggage and the separate case is already locked. As I mentioned, the ammunition must be in a factory container.

As an added precaution, I always have the security workers tape the luggage shut (across the locks). This is an old trick that does a much better job of keeping the luggage closed than flimsy luggage locks do. It has the added advantage of making your luggage more distinctive, so that a thief is less likely to walk off with it.

111 posted on 09/20/2004 6:28:41 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: tx4guns
Since when is it illegal to accept a gun as a gift from someone?

Since 1968, if the gift is across state lines.

112 posted on 09/20/2004 6:31:52 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Ok, how many of you guys are in favor of Project Exile now?!


113 posted on 09/21/2004 10:10:00 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (You can turn your head away from the Berg video and still hear Al Queda's calls to prayer.)
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To: marktwain

Thanks! I'll send this to my son. Maryxxx


114 posted on 09/22/2004 5:53:20 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is STILL in control, even if Bush loses in 2004!)
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