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60 years ago: Hitler's desperate last push, The Battle of the Bulge
AP Wire | December 12 2004 | Richard Pyle/AP

Posted on 12/12/2004 8:58:43 AM PST by knighthawk

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To: nothingnew

As big as an Ike fan as Ambrose was even he had a tough time defending the Market Garden decision.


61 posted on 12/12/2004 10:25:45 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

Dad was there too, at the Bulge, with the IV. They were hardly untested in battle though, having been in Europe since D-Day.


62 posted on 12/12/2004 10:27:21 AM PST by Sam Cree (Getting ready to check my oblivion indicator)
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To: nothingnew

Could you provide a link? I can't find it on Amazon--assuming it's a book.


63 posted on 12/12/2004 10:27:27 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: mainepatsfan

Which do you recommend?


64 posted on 12/12/2004 10:28:09 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: sevry

Oh, Lord..another tragic story of WW2..I find it painful to revisit ..but there is so much about the Italian campaign that was bogged down.

Today's commentators and libs seem to have started history lessons in Vietnam when they called the Tet offensive a loss..when history shows what a loss it was for the NVietnamese.


65 posted on 12/12/2004 10:29:50 AM PST by MEG33 (Merry Christmas!..,,God Bless All Who Serve Our Country)
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To: Sam Cree

Although I think the green American soldiers the Germans attacked did the best they could...you could see what happened to the German attack when they ran into veteran American troops.


66 posted on 12/12/2004 10:30:44 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: xJones
NUTS! Damn, don't you just love it!

It's incredible. Short and sweet. That's why I want Allawi's reply to his men wanting to send the terrorists to hell -- "To Hell They Will Go!" to be a rallying cry for his country just as "Nuts!" became one for US.

67 posted on 12/12/2004 10:33:22 AM PST by johnb838 (To Hell They Will Go. Killmore.)
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To: Terpfen

Rent the DVD first. The beginning is excellent because it shows what a beaten force the Germans were in September of 1944.


68 posted on 12/12/2004 10:33:30 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: beebuster2000; 7.62 x 51mm

My dad also rarely talked about his battle experiences in WWII. Only what he thought of as humorous incidents, like the guys puking in their helmets on the way ashore at Utah, then having to put them on when in range of fire.


69 posted on 12/12/2004 10:34:58 AM PST by Sam Cree (Getting ready to check my oblivion indicator)
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To: MEG33

I keep asking libs who point to the Tet offensive as an American defeat why the don't say the same thing about the Battle of the Bulge? Of course most libs I talk to don't have a clue about World War II.


70 posted on 12/12/2004 10:35:14 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

But the scene only had the Germans singing, it didn't include the Americans singing Silent Night. HBO (or Hanks or Spielberg) had to be PC, I suppose


71 posted on 12/12/2004 10:35:54 AM PST by Bulldaddy
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To: johnb838

That quote was great for American propoganda as well. It literally drove the Germans "Nuts!".


72 posted on 12/12/2004 10:36:54 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Bulldaddy

Now that you mention it you're right. I don't know if Easy company actually sang "Silent Night" along with the Germans like other units did.


73 posted on 12/12/2004 10:39:27 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

Gotcha. Will do that after finals.


74 posted on 12/12/2004 10:41:37 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: knighthawk

My dad did recon (then referred to as scouting) for the battle. When I asked him what he remembers he says "cold."


75 posted on 12/12/2004 10:42:53 AM PST by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh

My grandfather said most of the guys were going into barns to stuff hay into their boots.


76 posted on 12/12/2004 10:44:49 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

Yes, that sounds about right.


77 posted on 12/12/2004 10:58:10 AM PST by Sam Cree (Getting ready to check my oblivion indicator)
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To: mainepatsfan
I have had a difficult time getting my dad to talk about the war. He was demoted from Sgt twice. He was a DI for officer boot camp at, I recall, Ft. Campbell. He was told he was being too hard on the new officers. He replied he was getting them ready for war and he might have to serve with them. He was told to lighten up. He cussed out a Capt and was demoted. Demoted for similar "attitude" in England and finished the war as a Pvt., after going in in 1940.

With the great-grand kids around he told the story of how he got shot dragging his wounded Lt. to safety in France. Supposed papers submitted for two medals, but never happened.

He's bitter about the army. Says he always felt safest when he was scouting by himself and not around stupid officers.

He finally gave me his discharge paper so I could use it to have him buried in the veterans cemetary in Riverside CA. I looked up the 137th on the internet and there's practically a book there.

My dad claims he and six others were ordered out of Berlin so that the Soviets could have time to be "first."

I know he's got a lot of stories, but don't know if he'll ever tell them all.

One more, my dad, while he was still a Sgt., got a letter in England from his sister in New Jersey. She said his cousin from Sicily was a POW working on a farm in England. My dad went to the farm, talked to the Sgt in charge, checked his cousin out for the night and they went into town and partied. Returned him in the morning. We met my dad's 92 year old cousin on a trip to Sicily three years ago. He insisted we speak English.

78 posted on 12/12/2004 10:59:21 AM PST by bigsigh
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To: mainepatsfan

A second question for you: I understand that the Germans feared Patton more than any other general. Is there a webpage that lists some quotes and reasons why they were so afraid of him? I've always been curious as to their opinions. I know Hitler called Patton "that crazy cowboy general," but nothing beyond that.


79 posted on 12/12/2004 11:02:10 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: xJones
Larry Newman once recounted what a correspondent friend had told him after Patton was buried:

Georgie Patton didn't die from an automobile accident. He died of a broken heart when they took away his army... They wouldn't let him speak his mind about the reds and what they had in store for the United States and the free world. I guess it's just as well he died over here. The apolgists, the peace at any price cowards, the friends of the Soviet Union, always hated him. And brother, did he hate them! At least he's buried alongside his beloved soldiers who died so those people back home could attack the things patriots love.
80 posted on 12/12/2004 11:06:17 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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