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NATIVITY SCENES VANDALIZED NATIONWIDE
Catholic League ^ | December 10, 2004 | William Donohue

Posted on 12/12/2004 3:51:57 PM PST by NYer

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To: NYer; All

Just got this in email. It seems very fitting, to me.

In God We Once Trusted
Oracle Commentaries
12/11/2004

Though it has been said many times ­ much more eloquently than I can say it ­ America's first foundational premise is that there is a Creator-God, and it is this Creator-God who alone gives mankind his rights, not human government.

Governments that grant them (Such as the United Nations) can also take them away. But God-given rights take precedence over any government.

This is the entire basis of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

This is why our founding fathers made such statements as the following: We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion ... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate
to the government of any other.

­ John Adams, 2nd U.S. president)
It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

­ Patrick Henry
.. Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. National prosperity can neither be obtained nor preserved without the favor of
Providence.

­ John Jay, first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent, our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian. No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation (State or National) because this is a religious people ... this is a Christian nation.

­ U.S. Supreme Court, 1892
We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being .. When the state encourages religious instruction or cooperates with religious authorities by adjusting the schedule of public events to sectarian needs; it follows the best of our traditions. For it then
respects the religious nature of our people and accommodates the public service to their spiritual needs. To hold that it may not would be to find in the Constitution a requirement that the government show a
callous indifference to religious groups.

That would be preferring those who believe in no religion over those who do believe ... We find no Constitutional requirement which makes it necessary for government to be hostile to religion and to throw its weight against efforts to widen the effective scope of religious
influence.

­ U.S. Supreme Court, 1952
In the light of our history and founding principles, how dare such cursed organizations as the ACLU pretend to represent the meaning of the U.S. Constitution or interpret its intent. Religion, particularly Christianity, is not only embedded in our founding documents, but also established by consistent historical
profession by our government institutions.

Even the current decisions of our Supreme Court on the myth of separation of Church and State are clearly out of step with the established historical views of the Supreme Court. Most of the current Supreme Court justices are not interpreting law, but seeking to rewrite our most sacred and important foundational premise of law ­ that they
issue from our Creator-God, to whom virtually all of our great leaders of the past appealed publicly.

Why is it that George Washington instituted a day of Thanksgiving to God?

Why is it that the U.S. Congress in 1895 passed the law to have "In God We Trust" placed on all our currency"?

Why is it that it is written over the entrance of the Supreme Court building, "In God We Trust"?

Why has it been from the beginning that presidents and other national and state leaders are sworn in with their hand on the Christian Bible"?

Why do they close the oath with, "So help me God"?

The latest obscenity that has been attempted by a small minority of anti-God citizens ­ with the help of the ACLU's continued crusade to stamp out all public expression of faith in God ­ is a situation in North Carolina and Georgia. Grieving families of loved ones killed in
automobile crashes place crosses along the highways at the place where they were killed.

The anti-God group is protesting that placing a cross on government owned right of way constitutes a violation of the "separation of Church and State."

What is next for these people? Will they go to government cemeteries for our military, such as Arlington National Cemetery, and demand that all crosses be removed from the graves of our fallen heroes?

What is it going to take for the vast majority of God-fearing Americans to wake up and say, "Enough is enough"? We need to make it known loudly and clearly, religion is our foundational heritage. If you want to live here, welcome. But if you want to remove the very thing without which our great country will self-destruct, Get out!

As the second U.S. president, John Adams, clearly warned: "... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

The fact that there has been a calamitous decline of both of the above in our nation is the reason we are having so much trouble trying to govern these days. It is the reason our courts are overloaded and jails overcrowded.

Wake up Americans. God is giving us His last warnings. Return to the founding principles of our forefathers before there is nothing to salvage.

Hal is at home recovering from knee replacement surgery. This column was first published in December, 2003. We ask for your prayers for Hal's speedy recovery.

Hal Lindsey


41 posted on 12/12/2004 4:53:54 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Doc On The Bay
I agree 1000% with all you stated in your post # 40.

WELL SAID!!

42 posted on 12/12/2004 4:56:45 PM PST by the Deejay (MERRY, MERRY, CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: NYer; Howlin; Timesink; Utah Girl; hosepipe; backhoe; FITZ; Happy2BMe; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...
Could a Nativity scene be considered IDOL WORSHIP ?

How many other things in religious life could be considered idolitry ? The Christmas tree maybe ? as i dont condone destroying some ones property or stealing it im unsure in Bible terms what could or would be considered and idol !

43 posted on 12/12/2004 4:57:56 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Lets keep God and Ban Liberals !)
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To: ezoeni

YUP. SO TRUE.

And, AMEN!


44 posted on 12/12/2004 4:58:03 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Doc On The Bay

I am not sure that most of the desecration is from Islam. Mostly, from the unchurched and hateful, is my guess.


45 posted on 12/12/2004 4:59:51 PM PST by mlmr (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: NYer
Church Lady
Could this be  .... Satan!
46 posted on 12/12/2004 5:01:55 PM PST by dennisw (Help put the "Ch" back in Chanukah)
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To: Diverdogz; the Deejay

Christians are Humans. Humans are sinners, but we strive everyday to live our lives as Christs vessels.

IMO The haters of Christ and Christians can vandalize everything symbolic they want but they cannot take our Love of Christ his teachings, faith or hope away.

Meanwhile remember Christians are human too.


47 posted on 12/12/2004 5:04:48 PM PST by oceanperch (My Tagline has been sequestered.)
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To: Quix
Though it has been said many times - much more eloquently than I can say it - America's first foundational premise is that there is a Creator-God, and it is this Creator-God who alone gives mankind his rights, not human government.

Well, I am frankly surprised to hear such an admission from Hal Lindsay, who deals more in the supernatural than reality. However, his statement is correct. To this I would add Santayana's famous quote: "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it".

Everything old is new again. All that we are now experiencing has happened before, in the great empires. Where are those empires now? Rome? Athens? They all collapsed under the weight of secularism. Turn your back on God and He will turn His on you. It's really quite simple.

48 posted on 12/12/2004 5:04:48 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: Quix
..."God have mercy on their souls"...

Yes, and the sooner, the better.

49 posted on 12/12/2004 5:06:38 PM PST by Cloud William (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: the Deejay

Fancy meeting you here. : )

It is a rest day for us in between shifts and I have had the pleasuer of two naps and working on a third.

Busy week ahead.

Enjoy your Sunday. Peace be with you.


50 posted on 12/12/2004 5:06:45 PM PST by oceanperch (My Tagline has been sequestered.)
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To: EggsAckley

If it were Muslim property, this would not continue. Something is screwy in our country.


51 posted on 12/12/2004 5:11:18 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: the Deejay
Wonder what the DUers know about it.

They and their ilk are the type to do this.

52 posted on 12/12/2004 5:17:34 PM PST by rdl6989 (4 More Years! 4 More Years!)
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To: the Deejay

THANKS.

Tooooo sadly true.

You know . . . . Over on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299583/posts

I posted this comment:

To: Born to Conserve
I think God has scheduled the collapse of a LOT of tall towers.

"Everything that can be shaken, will be shaken."

I think He's determined that the New Jerusalem will be the tallest thing on the planet. Even the mountains will be brought low.

Which triggered this response:

To: Quix
You've been drinking far too much of your own "green tea", I fear!

130 posted on 12/12/2004 11:58:19 AM MST by Logic n' Reason (Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')

Followed by this response:

To: Logic n' Reason
No. Haven't been drinking ENOUGH green tea.

But I suspect that you haven't been drinking enough of the sincere milk of The Word of God.








1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away." --Rev 21 . .

EZEK 38:

Judgment on Gog
18"And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," says the Lord GOD, "that My fury will show in My face. 19For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: "Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel, 20so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.' 21I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains," says the Lord GOD. "Every man's sword will be against his brother.

131 posted on 12/12/2004 2:41:00 PM MST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)

Followed by this response:

Posted by Logic n' Reason to Quix
On News/Activism ^ 12/12/2004 3:09:43 PM MST · 132 of 134 ^

Save your preaching for others. I neither need it nor want it.
Your "faith" is yours...keep it to yourself unless asked for it.

Try leading by example.

There'd be far less trouble in the world if you "preachy types" would just shut the hell up.

Followed by:

Posted by Quix to Logic n' Reason; All
On News/Activism ^ 12/12/2004 5:03:38 PM MST · 133 of 134 ^


SO, Am I hearing you correctly?

You have the right and privilege to respond to things hereon out of your value system however you see fit remotely within the rules of the forum.

And those who are divergent from your value system,

do NOT.

AND FURTHER, you consider such a declaration NOT preachy?

Have I got that right?

Which I think I then followed with the posting of the quotes from our founding fathers and others on the part Christianity rightfully plays in our society.




Reflecting and a bit stunned . . . these . . . selfish ones [charitably], reall do NOT HAVE A CLUE.

THE HOBBIT and THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy have been great successes and still people don't HAVE A CLUE.

The times are a changin' group--as they've never changed before in the history of the world.

A consumate battle between God and satan [no match, for sure] which was won at Calvary and proven at the empty tomb--is slated reasonably soon for a grant climax.

Evil will be wiped from the planet.

Loving submission to an all loving God Almighty Who insures that we are more free and more our individualistic selves the more we are Love slaves in total submission to Him. The clueless have no comprehension of that paradox.

And they defiantly insist on their "right" to piss against the wind. And then they blame others for their getting smelly wet.

Methinks our era is a sort of grand farce for all times with God as the playwright. He is making sport of evil in many grand ways to show arrogance as well as all other shades and facets of evil in all manner of beings and corners of Creation that HIS WAYS ARE BEST. Besides that, they are ultimately the only ways tolerated.

It seems to me that the clueless are breeding by cell division faster than bunnies in some quarters. Sad.

Very sad.

I wonder how many we can help God to rescue, by God's Grace and Spirit, from the firebrands.


53 posted on 12/12/2004 5:19:09 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Diverdogz
Isn't the Christian attitude supposed to be to love them anyway, to try to SAVE them...or turn the other cheek?

An eye For an Eye

A Tooth For a Tooth

Do we all want to go through life Blind and Toothless!

54 posted on 12/12/2004 5:19:14 PM PST by makoman
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To: NYer

More proven acts AGAINST Christmas (Christians!) here (in just a few days) than in the entire three years since 9-11 against Muslims in the US.


55 posted on 12/12/2004 5:19:26 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Gritty

Won't be long unless the people stand up for what they believe. If they can be OFFENDED by God and Nativity scenes and the like and can destroy them blatantly, then we should stand tall and DEFEND our rights too.


56 posted on 12/12/2004 5:21:27 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: ElkGroveDan
As my sainted mother used to say, "After a while you run out of cheeks to turn..."

True.

But one should NEVER run out of buckshot.

57 posted on 12/12/2004 5:21:58 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: CindyDawg

lol that's a cute, I could just see it.


58 posted on 12/12/2004 5:30:33 PM PST by oceanperch (My Tagline has been sequestered.)
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To: mlmr
While Much of the "Hatefulness" MAY BE from "Ignorant Fools," The DANGEROUS PART is from THOSE who would DO US HARM!!

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE the EVIL of "Those Who Would Harm Us!!"

Can You EVER REMEMBER a "Time When" the "Symbols of Christianity" were Actively Destroyed??

WHEN--in your Life--have "Creches, Crosses, XMAS Trees, etc" EVER BEEN CHALLENGED & DESTROYED??

OUR CULTURE is UNDER ATTACK--& we BETTER UNDERSTAND That "Attack!"

Whatever the "Forces" which are "Attacking" our Culture, WE NEED to ReInforce our Basic Culture!!

We are, Basically, a Western, Christian Culture--Our "Traditions" are Dictated by our Cultural Origins.

ANY Attempts to Alter our "Origins" is DOOMED to Fail!!

We Accept & "Embrace" Other "Cultures," BUT we WILL NOT "Submit our Culture" to Others.

We WILL NOT accept ANY OTHER CULTURE above Our Own; We Will NOT "Submit" to "Islam!!"

Doc

59 posted on 12/12/2004 5:35:28 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Quix

But by the Grace of God all sinners have the opertunity to repent and follow Christ, hopefully before they take their last breath.

Mike Warnke (Christian Comedian) who repented 20yrs ago and he was a High Preist in the Church of Satan.

Of course he hit rock bottom first. Was in to black magic, blood drinking the whole nine yards but got so strung out on heroine even the devil didn't want him anymore.


60 posted on 12/12/2004 5:39:20 PM PST by oceanperch (My Tagline has been sequestered.)
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