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Tsunami Survivors Mob U.S. Aid Copters
AP ^ | 01/01/05 | DENIS D. GRAY

Posted on 01/01/2005 1:59:30 PM PST by Pikamax

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To: norton

There's definitely a long list of freepers to avoid. We should compare notes sometime. LOL

A lot of these people are leftists who come here pretending to be conservatives. Read the book for which Jim Robinson wrote the foreward and was mentioned prominently "Hillary's Secret War". How they operate is all outlined in that book.


21 posted on 01/01/2005 2:42:18 PM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

One thing's for certain -- many of the folks who are loudly complaining about the relatively small amount of taxpayer dollars being spent on this particular (and much needed) relief effort are relatively silent when it comes to the monstrous waste of taxpayer funds in other spheres. Consistent, they're not.


22 posted on 01/01/2005 2:44:21 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Names Ash Housewares

But there may be critically wounded who need to be evacuated...it is a tough call...


23 posted on 01/01/2005 2:47:24 PM PST by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: Mr. Mojo

That's for sure.


24 posted on 01/01/2005 2:47:24 PM PST by Peach
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To: Mr. Mojo

Actually, the most offensive stuff I've ever seen on FR was on this very subject. I'd also point out that "foreign aid" & "disaster relief" might easily be two different things.


25 posted on 01/01/2005 2:51:24 PM PST by norton
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To: Peach
I also think what's bothing many is the appearance that the pressure applied from the American Left and the UN Socialists - calling the Administration "stingy" - forced the President's hand, which resulted in the amount being raised from $35 million to $350 million.
26 posted on 01/01/2005 2:53:08 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Peach

Peach, I've read some of those threads too. The majority posting on those threads are debating whether it's constitutional for our tax monies to be spent for emergency aid.

Ignore them. After all, they don't have the military helicopters to make the food drops or to get needed supplies to those most in need.

I've also read a few posting on various threads saying we shouldn't help anyone who practices Islam. At times I've wanted to respond by asking them how we should differentiate between religous beliefs. Again, my best advice to you is to ignore those bigots.

I'm with you in that I can't begin to imagine how big this devastation is. It boggles my mind. I read the thread where 3 people hiked for 5 days and never saw another live human being. I try my best to put myself in that position by imagining what it would be like to experience that along the Gulf Coast and my mind can't grasp that amount of devastation. It breaks my heart.


27 posted on 01/01/2005 2:54:33 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (It's painless to be a monthly donor!)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Very often I do just ignore those Constitutional purists and faux freepers but sometimes I fear their ignorant comments reflect so badly on Free Republic, and we're quoted so often now in the MSM, that I want to have a counter-balance to the uglier threads and posts.

Happy New Year, Sally.


28 posted on 01/01/2005 2:56:44 PM PST by Peach
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To: Pikamax
Last night at a New Year's Eve party, my well-oiled tongue wouldn't refrain from engaging in discussion a medical student from John Hopkins University now working for the World Health Organization -- She said that our initial pledge of aid to the shattered countries of the Tsunami disaster simply wasn't enough, echoing the UN's 'stingy' comment from Jan Egeland.

I replied that our contribution was the largest of all contributing nations, and that we even increased the pledge tenfold from $35 million to $350 million.

She agreed, but reminded me that "per capita, we're not the biggest contributors when compared to the Europeans". I replied that might be relevant if America didn't have more Irish than Ireland and more Germans than Germany. We've got more Scots than Scotland, and the list goes on and on. Besides, if the several dozen citizens of the wealthy little kingdom state of Liechtenstein each sacrificed a gold bracelet to the relief efforts, was she saying that would make Liechtenstein the world's most generous nation although it wouldn't make much difference in the grand scale of the relief effort?

Okay, she reluctantly agreed with that point too, and then I asked her whose aid would actually get to the victims first; America's, the United Nations', or the EU's?

Fast forward to video of US Marine CH-53 Sea Stallions, Sea Knights, and Seahawk choppers delivering at from offshore US Navy Maritime Naval Prepositioning ships. Who's got amphibious forces that can deliver the goods at a moment's notice anywhere in the world and essentially set up a small city anywhere we want? The United States, or Finland? Where's Kofi Annan's naval rapid reaction force, and can he captain them from the ski slopes in Jackson Hole, Wyoming?

I mentioned that at this very moment, we're assisting in several nations. We'll have for them generators, water purification, graves detail, agricultural development, emergency care services, innoculation from disease, and other rebuilding and lifesaving measures. All of this from a military that was so recently accused of being 'stretched too thin'.

You'll know when the EU/UN arrives on the scene when the column of ponytailed hippie ladies that look like Jane Goodall arrive on fancy passenger jets bearing backpacks of tofu sandwiches and carrying sacks of 'cruelty-free' rice.

... And by the way, isn't it interesting how although there are just nearly as many people dead on the shorelines of the tsunami-afflicted nations as there are bodies we've counted in Saddam's mass graves, the world instead bemoans the body count from a thoroughly unavoidable natural disaster and refuses to acknowledge the victims of an entirely preventable inhumanity caused by a mad dictator that much of the world was against us overthrowing?

At this point, my wife yanked me offstage like a dying Vaudeville comic getting the hook, much to everyone's relief.

The moral of this story is to never make any statement that can be even slightly construed to be America-bashing in the vicinity of where The KG9 Kid has been drinkin'.

29 posted on 01/01/2005 2:56:45 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I agree there is that appearance and today, on another thread, Powell was quoted as saying this is not an auction at which the higehst bidder wins. (Or words to that effect). I thought it was a good response to those of us who were concerned about the appearance of how this played out.


30 posted on 01/01/2005 2:57:46 PM PST by Peach
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To: Sally'sConcerns
I've also read a few posting on various threads saying we shouldn't help anyone who practices Islam.

I suspect the picture of the dude walking around in the disaster aftermath in Indonesia sporting an OBL tee shirt gave many pause.

31 posted on 01/01/2005 2:57:55 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Well, I can tell you what is bothering me. It is the assumption from the world that we have an obligation to give aid. No, we don't have to. I am sick and tired of giving to those who dance in the streets when our military or civilians are killed and then whine when help is not on the way instantly from us when disaster strikes them.
32 posted on 01/01/2005 2:59:00 PM PST by Conservababe (I calls it like I sees it.)
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To: Conservababe

That bothers me too. ....immensely.


33 posted on 01/01/2005 3:00:56 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Pikamax
An interesting opportunity in the War on Terror:

Miracle at Banda Aceh

"Now, if you had told me a week ago that an American Marine expeditionary force would be in Banda Aceh on New Years Day, my first reaction would have been that the President had decided upon a bold and unexpected strike in the War on Terror, jumping ahead on the timeline of that effort's multi-generational strategy. I might have thought it was a bold and necessary move, and I would have believed you if you had said they had located and captured Osama Bin Laden there. As it was, in our shock, probing in from the parameter toward the epicenter of the Banda Aceh Earthquake, only a few have considered whether the hand of the Almighty reached out and sliced off a decade from what still promises to be a protracted conflict with Islamo-Fascism. "

34 posted on 01/01/2005 3:03:51 PM PST by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: Mr. Mojo; Conservababe
Watching the liberals thunder and roar while this administration marches in an orderly fashion is the very best part of this.

That's why 61 million plus people voted for George W. Bush in November, despite all the words that the left could raise in anger.

Most of us get it. And the left hates it. Just a little sweetener.

35 posted on 01/01/2005 3:08:31 PM PST by Bernard ("Those weren't lies - that was spin!")
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To: Peach

Happy New Year to you too!

I agree with you that the MSM could come in and cherry pick some of the more hateful comments. Unfortunately, that's what makes news. Not how generous or how horrified we are about what the people over there are going through but how 'heartless' FReepers are.

I understand why Jim lets the threads about constitutionality stand since FR is a conservative website. I'm thankful for the posters on those threads who challenge the purists. Just remember, the purists are in the minority and while they're entitled to their views, it in no way detracts from America's response to this tragedy. After all, have we heard about any other nation's helicopters delivering needed aid?



36 posted on 01/01/2005 3:15:56 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (It's painless to be a monthly donor!)
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To: Conservababe

Imagine all those Gore/Kerry voters in Florida. Next time a hurricane hits, let the whole state rot. /sarc


37 posted on 01/01/2005 3:22:04 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Not ONE other nation delivering food. The UN is holding meetings. Big whoop.

I'm proud of our response and won't let a few naysayers take that away from how I feel. Glad to "meet" you, Sally.


38 posted on 01/01/2005 3:22:21 PM PST by Peach
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To: The KG9 Kid

LOL! You tell 'em!

I saw an interview w/one anquished man who cried out, "We need help. Where are the Americans?"

Not 'Where is the UN?' Not even where is his own government, but "Where are the Americans?" They know who they can count on.


39 posted on 01/01/2005 3:24:30 PM PST by radiohead
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To: Mr. Mojo
I suspect the picture of the dude walking around in the disaster aftermath in Indonesia sporting an OBL tee shirt gave many pause.

Possibly, but I've read too many posts prior to this disaster where certain posters state all who are Islamic should be obliterated from the planet. It's sad that one picture showing one guy wearing a t-shirt with OBL's picture would prompt people to decide not to reach out to other's of the Islamic faith.

For several years I had a next door neighbour who practiced Islam. He and his family were some of the best neighbours I've ever had.

40 posted on 01/01/2005 3:25:28 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (It's painless to be a monthly donor!)
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